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Scott Dyer [HPN/NY]
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Circular Approach v Traditional Pattern
      11/19/16 03:08 PM

The news reports that there is interest in a circular pattern (e.g., continuous turn from downwind to final, with no distinct base leg) replacing the downwind/base/final configuration that has (more or less) 90d turns on the transition to each leg.

See https://www.aopa.org/news-and-media/all-...=News%20Article

It's an interesting idea to study.

While one portion of the article posits that the continuous turn may reduce base to final overshoots and hence uncoordinated stall/spin accidents, my limited CFI experience suggests that students and low time pilots benefit from the base leg to size up how the approach is going and to plan the base to final turn.

Particularly in a high wing aircraft, the continuous turn will have the wing blanking the view of the runway until the airplane is within about 45d of the runway heading....IF the turn is done correctly. I worry about students not being able to accurately hit the final approach course out of a continuous turn, especially when we try to keep the pattern reasonably tight (with something like a 1/2 to 3/4 mile final). Some folks have a hard enough time just getting the idea of making a right-angled ground track, let alone keeping situational awareness through a 180d descending turn.

These aren't highly screened and intensely schooled/motivated military pilot candidates.

And, there are clearly some benefits to the continuous turn concept.

I'd be interested to hear what experienced instructors (you know who you are) think about the proposal.

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* Circular Approach v Traditional Pattern Scott Dyer [HPN/NY] 11/19/16 03:08 PM
. * * Re: Circular Approach v Traditional Pattern Scott Perdue (50F)   11/23/16 01:30 PM
. * * Re: Circular Approach v Traditional Pattern Scott Dyer [HPN/NY]   11/23/16 05:18 PM
. * * Re: Circular Approach v Traditional Pattern Scott Perdue (50F)   11/25/16 12:53 PM
. * * Re: Circular Approach v Traditional Pattern Randy Sohn   11/25/16 03:34 PM
. * * Re: Circular Approach v Traditional Pattern Terry Carraway   11/25/16 02:03 PM
. * * Re: Circular Approach v Traditional Pattern Terry Carraway   11/24/16 02:46 PM
. * * Re: Circular Approach v Traditional Pattern Scott Dyer [HPN/NY]   11/25/16 12:07 AM
. * * Circular Approach v Traditional Pattern Ward Miller POU-NY   11/24/16 08:52 PM
. * * Re: Circular Approach v Traditional Pattern Richard Duxbury (Dux)   11/23/16 05:54 PM
. * * Re: Circular Approach v Traditional Pattern Randy Sohn   11/23/16 09:01 PM
. * * Re: Circular Approach v Traditional Pattern Terry Carraway   11/23/16 01:54 PM
. * * Re: Circular Approach v Traditional Pattern Bruce Gorrell [EQY]   11/25/16 03:08 AM
. * * Re: Circular Approach v Traditional Pattern Bruce Gorrell [EQY]   11/21/16 02:17 AM
. * * Re: Circular Approach v Traditional Pattern Terry Carraway   11/20/16 06:27 PM
. * * Re: Circular Approach v Traditional Pattern Kcid LlirreM   11/20/16 11:19 PM
. * * Re: Circular Approach v Traditional Pattern Tom Charlton   11/21/16 09:11 PM
. * * Re: Circular Approach v Traditional Pattern Randy Sohn   11/20/16 08:34 PM
. * * Re: Circular Approach v Traditional Pattern Scott Dyer [HPN/NY]   11/20/16 07:28 PM
. * * Re: Circular Approach v Traditional Pattern Terry Carraway   11/21/16 03:02 PM
. * * Circular Approach v Traditional Pattern Ward Miller POU-NY   11/19/16 11:15 PM
. * * Re: Circular Approach v Traditional Pattern Scott Dyer [HPN/NY]   11/20/16 02:46 AM
. * * Re: Circular Approach v Traditional Pattern Bruce Gorrell [EQY]   11/21/16 02:24 AM
. * * Re: Circular Approach v Traditional Pattern Scott Dyer [HPN/NY]   11/21/16 04:17 AM
. * * Re: Circular Approach v Traditional Pattern Bruce Gorrell [EQY]   11/22/16 04:17 AM
. * * Re: Circular Approach v Traditional Pattern Terry Carraway   11/21/16 03:08 PM
. * * Circular Approach v Traditional Pattern Ward Miller POU-NY   11/21/16 03:17 AM
. * * Re: Circular Approach v Traditional Pattern Terry Carraway   11/21/16 03:07 PM
. * * Circular Approach v Traditional Pattern Ward Miller POU-NY   11/21/16 09:45 PM
. * * Re: Circular Approach v Traditional Pattern Terry Carraway   11/22/16 02:45 PM
. * * Re: Circular Approach v Traditional Pattern Randy Sohn   11/22/16 05:24 PM
. * * Re: Circular Approach v Traditional Pattern Terry Carraway   11/23/16 01:49 PM
. * * Re: Circular Approach v Traditional Pattern Scott Dyer [HPN/NY]   11/22/16 06:50 PM
. * * Re: Circular Approach v Traditional Pattern Randy Sohn   11/22/16 08:43 PM
. * * Re: Circular Approach v Traditional Pattern Scott Dyer [HPN/NY]   11/23/16 12:11 AM
. * * Re: Circular Approach v Traditional Pattern Terry Carraway   11/23/16 01:51 PM
. * * Re: Circular Approach v Traditional Pattern Tom Charlton   11/28/16 02:42 PM
. * * Re: Circular Approach v Traditional Pattern Terry Carraway   11/29/16 02:17 PM
. * * Re: Circular Approach v Traditional Pattern Randy Sohn   11/30/16 03:32 AM
. * * Re: Circular Approach v Traditional Pattern Ralph Jones   11/23/16 03:28 PM
. * * Re: Circular Approach v Traditional Pattern Terry Carraway   11/24/16 02:44 PM
. * * Re: Circular Approach v Traditional Pattern Randy Sohn   11/23/16 02:46 AM
. * * Re: Circular Approach v Traditional Pattern Mase Taylor   11/23/16 03:31 AM
. * * Circular Approach v Traditional Pattern Ward Miller POU-NY   11/20/16 10:42 PM
. * * Re: Circular Approach v Traditional Pattern Terry Carraway   11/21/16 03:05 PM
. * * Re: Circular Approach v Traditional Pattern Bruce Gorrell [EQY]   11/21/16 02:28 AM
. * * Re: Circular Approach v Traditional Pattern Terry Carraway   11/21/16 03:06 PM
. * * Re: Circular Approach v Traditional Pattern Scott Dyer [HPN/NY]   11/20/16 11:21 PM
. * * Circular Approach v Traditional Pattern Ray Tackett   11/20/16 03:06 AM
. * * Re: Circular Approach v Traditional Pattern John O'Shaughnessy [FCM]   11/19/16 07:26 PM
. * * Circular Approach v Traditional Pattern Ray Tackett   11/19/16 05:56 PM
. * * Re: Circular Approach v Traditional Pattern Scott Dyer [HPN/NY]   11/20/16 02:49 AM
. * * Re: Circular Approach v Traditional Pattern Jeff Hartmann CIC   11/19/16 05:54 PM
. * * Re: Circular Approach v Traditional Pattern Bill Bridges - 9S1   11/19/16 04:20 PM
. * * Re: Circular Approach v Traditional Pattern sreyoB yrraL   11/19/16 03:16 PM
. * * Re: Circular Approach v Traditional Pattern Andy Alson (HPN/NY)   11/19/16 03:15 PM
. * * Re: Circular Approach v Traditional Pattern Ray Tackett   11/20/16 02:53 AM
. * * Re: Circular Approach v Traditional Pattern Scott Dyer [HPN/NY]   11/20/16 02:52 AM
. * * Circular Approach v Traditional Pattern Ray Tackett   11/20/16 03:06 AM

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