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Dave Siciliano (ADS)
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Re: Citation II info
      08/24/14 05:04 PM

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So what are your impressions of flying the jet after the KA and Baron?

The hardest part for me when I made the transition was airspeed control as it responded a lot slower than with props.




I don't know that I've flown it enough to give a good answer. Still trying to get a good feel for the bird. As to airspeed control, I really haven't had that issue, but have pretty well been flying by numbers and power settings and haven't gotten behind it at all where I needed to recover.
The Citation II was made to compete directly with the KA200; so, it takes off and lands on comparable field lengths. It really surprised me in that regard. I know the KA was much more forgiving with this big props that could act as brakes and where throttle response was very quick.
On takeoff, I pull the throttles back pretty quickly when on a DP or in a pattern to control speed when ceiling is limited. We normally climb at 200 to 220 IAS, so power goes back up when we can climb at that speed.
On arrival what is different is we keep IAS about 240 all the way down until we get in close, then under 200 as we near class B or D. The numbers we kinna look for are 140 before FAF; then, 120 on the way down; Vref on short final. The few times I've landed, three times now, I've been right on Vref on short final and things went very smoothly.

I guess I can't give a good answer until I have a bit more time in it. It does accelerate very quickly; off the ground in about the distance of a KA. I haven't had to slow when going too fast, but it does have speed brakes which could be used in such a case.

In sum, the bird can fly at KA speeds on approach which I'm very comfortable with.

Edited by Dave Siciliano (ADS) (08/24/14 05:24 PM)

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* Citation II info Dave Siciliano (ADS) 05/13/14 04:36 PM
. * * Re: Citation II info Stephanie Belser   08/25/14 10:23 AM
. * * Re: Citation II info Mase Taylor   08/25/14 12:31 PM
. * * Re: Citation II info Tom Charlton   05/20/14 03:08 PM
. * * Re: Citation II info Dave Siciliano (ADS)   05/20/14 03:30 PM
. * * Re: Citation II info Mac Tichenor (DAL)   05/20/14 11:12 PM
. * * Re: Citation II info Mac Tichenor (DAL)   06/02/14 12:36 AM
. * * Re: Citation II info Tom Charlton   06/02/14 07:00 PM
. * * Re: Citation II info Mac Tichenor (DAL)   06/02/14 11:58 PM
. * * Re: Citation II info Randy Sohn   05/27/14 09:59 AM
. * * Re: Citation II info Dave Siciliano (ADS)   05/27/14 12:00 PM
. * * Re: Citation II info Randy Sohn   05/27/14 04:40 PM
. * * Re: Citation II info John Tucci (LDJ)   05/31/14 01:28 PM
. * * Re: Citation II info Rick Durden   05/27/14 07:12 PM
. * * Re: Citation II info Bruce Gorrell [EQY]   05/29/14 08:26 PM
. * * Re: Citation II info Dave Siciliano (ADS)   05/29/14 09:21 PM
. * * Re: Citation II info Mac Tichenor (DAL)   06/18/14 10:00 PM
. * * Re: Citation II info Dave Siciliano (ADS)   06/18/14 10:44 PM
. * * Re: Citation II info Jeff Hartmann CIC   06/27/14 02:12 PM
. * * Re: Citation II info Dave Siciliano (ADS)   06/28/14 10:34 AM
. * * Re: Citation II info Jeff Hartmann CIC   07/04/14 08:17 AM
. * * Re: Citation II info Dave Siciliano (ADS)   07/05/14 09:39 PM
. * * Re: Citation II info Kcid LlirreM   07/07/14 09:00 AM
. * * Re: Citation II info Dave Siciliano (ADS)   08/01/14 08:50 PM
. * * Re: Citation II info Mase Taylor   08/01/14 11:27 PM
. * * Re: Citation II info Dave Siciliano (ADS)   08/02/14 11:20 AM
. * * Re: Citation II info Rick Durden   08/02/14 03:07 PM
. * * Re: Citation II info Dave Siciliano (ADS)   08/02/14 04:15 PM
. * * Re: Citation II info sreyoB yrraL   08/01/14 11:27 PM
. * * Re: Citation II info Dave Siciliano (ADS)   08/02/14 11:13 AM
. * * Re: Citation II info Geoff Sjostrom - Chicago   08/02/14 11:21 AM
. * * Re: Citation II info Dave Siciliano (ADS)   08/02/14 11:27 AM
. * * Re: Citation II info Mase Taylor   08/01/14 11:29 PM
. * * Re: Citation II info Dave Siciliano (ADS)   08/02/14 11:22 AM
. * * Re: Citation II info Randy Sohn   08/02/14 04:30 PM
. * * Re: Citation II info Dave Siciliano (ADS)   08/02/14 05:52 PM
. * * Re: Citation II info Randy Sohn   08/02/14 08:53 PM
. * * Re: Citation II info Mase Taylor   08/03/14 08:13 PM
. * * Re: Citation II info Randy Sohn   08/04/14 12:20 PM
. * * Re: Citation II info Dave Siciliano (ADS)   08/04/14 01:31 PM
. * * Re: Citation II info Tom Charlton   08/04/14 08:03 PM
. * * Re: Citation II info Dave Siciliano (ADS)   08/17/14 01:22 PM
. * * Re: Citation II info Tom Charlton   08/18/14 09:23 AM
. * * Re: Citation II info Dave Siciliano (ADS)   08/18/14 03:58 PM
. * * Re: Citation II info Dave Siciliano (ADS)   08/23/14 07:42 PM
. * * Re: Citation II info Tom Charlton   08/24/14 01:36 PM
. * * Re: Citation II info Dave Siciliano (ADS)   08/24/14 02:58 PM
. * * Re: Citation II info sreyoB yrraL   08/24/14 03:17 PM
. * * Re: Citation II info Dave Siciliano (ADS)   08/24/14 05:04 PM
. * * Re: Citation II info Dave Siciliano (ADS)   08/24/14 05:29 PM
. * * Re: Citation II info Dave Siciliano (ADS)   08/26/14 02:49 PM
. * * Re: Citation II info Mac Tichenor (DAL)   08/26/14 04:49 PM
. * * Re: Citation II info Dave Siciliano (ADS)   08/26/14 05:06 PM
. * * Re: Citation II info sreyoB yrraL   08/26/14 04:51 PM
. * * Re: Citation II info Dave Siciliano (ADS)   08/26/14 05:06 PM
. * * Re: Citation II info Dave Siciliano (ADS)   12/06/14 02:42 PM
. * * Re: Citation II info Dave Siciliano (ADS)   12/11/14 09:15 AM
. * * Re: Citation II info Tom Charlton   12/11/14 08:29 PM
. * * Re: Citation II info Randy Sohn   12/11/14 08:53 PM
. * * Re: Citation II info Kcid LlirreM   12/12/14 09:31 AM
. * * Re: Citation II info Tom Charlton   12/11/14 10:39 PM
. * * Re: Citation II info Randy Sohn   12/12/14 08:31 AM
. * * Re: Citation II info Bill Bridges - 9S1   12/12/14 11:34 AM
. * * Re: Citation II info Dave Siciliano (ADS)   12/25/14 01:49 PM
. * * Re: Citation II info Dave Siciliano (ADS)   02/15/15 12:43 PM
. * * Re: Citation II info Dave Siciliano (ADS)   04/23/15 11:22 AM
. * * Re: Citation II info Scott Perdue (50F)   04/24/15 07:23 AM
. * * Re: Citation II info Bill Bridges - 9S1   12/25/14 07:57 PM
. * * Re: Citation II info Dave Siciliano (ADS)   12/12/14 08:58 AM
. * * Re: Citation II info Bill Bridges - 9S1   12/11/14 09:55 PM
. * * Re: Citation II info Randy Sohn   12/11/14 10:00 PM
. * * Re: Citation II info B. Butler (Oregonian)   12/11/14 01:33 PM
. * * Re: Citation II info Scott Dyer [HPN/NY]   12/11/14 02:26 PM
. * * Re: Citation II info Bruce Gorrell [EQY]   12/06/14 04:06 PM
. * * Re: Citation II info Gil Buettner [KAUW]   12/06/14 03:45 PM
. * * Re: Citation II info Mase Taylor   08/23/14 08:30 PM
. * * Re: Citation II info sreyoB yrraL   08/01/14 11:30 PM
. * * Re: Citation II info Terry Carraway   08/02/14 05:54 AM
. * * Re: Citation II info Dave Siciliano (ADS)   08/02/14 11:25 AM
. * * Re: Citation II info Terry Carraway   08/03/14 05:59 AM
. * * Re: Citation II info Mase Taylor   08/02/14 01:02 AM
. * * Re: Citation II info Mac Tichenor (DAL)   07/06/14 05:44 PM
. * * Re: Citation II info Bruce Gorrell [EQY]   07/06/14 03:10 PM
. * * Re: Citation II info Jeff Hartmann CIC   07/06/14 10:18 AM
. * * Re: Citation II info Randy Sohn   07/05/14 10:18 PM
. * * Re: Citation II info Bill Bridges - 9S1   07/06/14 07:48 PM
. * * Re: Citation II info Randy Sohn   07/06/14 08:32 PM
. * * Re: Citation II info Dave Siciliano (ADS)   07/06/14 08:19 PM
. * * Re: Citation II info Tom Tyson [SUW]   07/07/14 08:20 AM
. * * Re: Citation II info B. Butler (Oregonian)   07/03/14 11:13 PM
. * * Re: Citation II info Reams Goodloe   06/28/14 01:38 AM
. * * Re: Citation II info Jeff Hartmann CIC   06/28/14 08:14 AM
. * * Re: Citation II info Mac Tichenor (DAL)   06/02/14 12:17 AM
. * * Re: Citation II info Dave Siciliano (ADS)   05/27/14 07:38 PM
. * * Re: Citation II info Steve Stombaugh (IND)   05/15/14 12:05 PM
. * * Re: Citation II info Dave Siciliano (ADS)   05/15/14 12:29 PM
. * * Re: Citation II info Dave Siciliano (ADS)   05/15/14 03:44 PM
. * * Re: Citation II info Russell Holton   05/15/14 04:42 PM
. * * Re: Citation II info Ralph Jones   05/15/14 04:48 PM
. * * Re: Citation II info Russell Holton   05/15/14 04:54 PM
. * * Re: Citation II info Ralph Jones   05/15/14 05:36 PM
. * * Re: Citation II info Dave Siciliano (ADS)   05/15/14 08:06 PM
. * * Re: Citation II info Ralph Hood   05/16/14 06:36 PM
. * * Re: Citation II info Dave Siciliano (ADS)   05/16/14 06:56 PM
. * * Re: Citation II info Steve Stombaugh (IND)   05/16/14 09:28 AM
. * * Re: Citation II info Dave Siciliano (ADS)   05/16/14 12:18 PM
. * * Re: Citation II info Randy Sohn   05/16/14 12:31 PM
. * * Re: Citation II info Rick Durden   05/15/14 12:42 AM
. * * Re: Citation II info Dave Siciliano (ADS)   05/15/14 06:18 AM
. * * Re: Citation II info Rick Durden   05/15/14 09:25 AM
. * * Re: Citation II info Randy Sohn   05/15/14 10:58 AM
. * * Re: Citation II info Jeff Hartmann CIC   05/14/14 06:44 AM
. * * Re: Citation II info Dave Siciliano (ADS)   05/14/14 08:21 AM
. * * Re: Citation II info Dave Siciliano (ADS)   05/14/14 11:39 AM
. * * Re: Citation II info (Calling Al Wolpert) Tom Tyson [SUW]   05/14/14 12:28 PM
. * * Re: Citation II info (Calling Al Wolpert) Frank Van Haste [VKX]   05/14/14 01:47 PM
. * * Re: Citation II info (Calling Al Wolpert) Dave Siciliano (ADS)   05/14/14 03:46 PM
. * * Citation II info (Calling Al Wolpert) Andy Alson (HPN/NY)   05/14/14 01:35 PM
. * * Re: Citation II info Frank Van Haste [VKX]   05/14/14 12:04 PM
. * * Re: Citation II info Mase Taylor   05/13/14 08:55 PM
. * * Re: Citation II info Dave Siciliano (ADS)   05/13/14 11:10 PM
. * * Re: Citation II info Mase Taylor   05/13/14 11:43 PM
. * * Re: Citation II info Dave Siciliano (ADS)   05/13/14 11:11 PM
. * * Re: Citation II info Mase Taylor   05/13/14 11:18 PM
. * * Re: Citation II info Dave Siciliano (ADS)   05/13/14 11:32 PM
. * * Re: Citation II info Randy Sohn   05/13/14 09:09 PM
. * * Re: Citation II info Mase Taylor   05/13/14 11:52 PM
. * * Re: Citation II info Dave Siciliano (ADS)   05/13/14 11:06 PM
. * * Re: Citation II info Mase Taylor   05/14/14 12:02 AM

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