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Ray Tackett
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Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems
      07/27/09 10:32 AM

Hi Roger,

As Anne pointed out ATC is a language all its own, with a small, specialized vocabulary and a very limited syntax. Everybody learns it as a foreign language, even though it's based upon English.

ILG is kind to student pilots. If you run into a controller in training, so much the better. You train each other. Just keep your eyes and ears open and don't let the controller fly your plane. "Unable" is a valid response to most anything if you need to say it, but it's nice if you can offer an alternative. Here's a real-world example:

ATC: Cessna 034, turn your base now, runway 33, clear to land.

Me: Unable to turn base. Traffic on final for 33. Extending downwind.

(There was a plane landing 33 at PNE, but not talking to anyone. The controller hadn't seen it. If I had turned base, i.e., let the controller fly my plane, I might not have been here to write this.)

You might ask your instructor about your accent. If it's strong enough to be a real problem, there are language schools and teachers which offer accent reduction courses. If your accent just says "I'm not from around here" but doesn't really get in the way, then it's the controller's problem. Just make a point of speaking clearly on the radio.

Ray

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* Student Pilot - Landing Problems Roger Ferrer 05/20/09 08:04 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Dave Millikan   06/03/09 10:34 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Roger Ferrer   06/04/09 10:24 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Robert Mann [HPN-NY]   06/05/09 12:38 AM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Mike Campos [CA]   05/22/09 08:39 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Roger Ferrer   05/23/09 07:31 AM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Tina Gonsalves (7B6)   05/23/09 07:22 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Mike Campos [CA]   05/24/09 11:53 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Robert Mann [HPN-NY]   05/23/09 07:48 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Tina Gonsalves (7B6)   05/23/09 08:12 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems sreyoB yrraL   05/23/09 09:39 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Tina Gonsalves (7B6)   05/24/09 05:39 AM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Ray Tackett   05/24/09 10:38 AM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Tina Gonsalves (7B6)   05/24/09 07:43 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Ray Tackett   05/24/09 09:06 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Tina Gonsalves (7B6)   05/25/09 06:46 AM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Bruce Gorrell [EQY]   05/24/09 03:16 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Ray Tackett   05/24/09 06:40 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Ward Miller POU-NY   05/24/09 06:06 AM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Tina Gonsalves (7B6)   05/24/09 07:36 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Robert Mann [HPN-NY]   05/23/09 08:29 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Tina Gonsalves (7B6)   05/24/09 05:26 AM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Robert Mann [HPN-NY]   05/24/09 01:21 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Tina Gonsalves (7B6)   05/24/09 07:44 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Robert Mann [HPN-NY]   05/24/09 07:53 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Tom Tyson [SUW]   05/23/09 09:16 AM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems B. Butler (Oregonian)   05/23/09 01:08 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Ray Tackett   05/26/09 05:31 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Tom Tyson [SUW]   05/23/09 07:31 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems sreyoB yrraL   05/21/09 01:01 AM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Roger Ferrer   05/21/09 09:41 AM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems sreyoB yrraL   05/21/09 11:24 AM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Roger Ferrer   05/21/09 11:41 AM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems sreyoB yrraL   05/21/09 12:06 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Roger Ferrer   05/21/09 12:16 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Anne Umphrey (KBED)   05/21/09 02:34 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Roger Ferrer   05/21/09 03:41 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Jim Gifford   05/21/09 06:13 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Ray Tackett   05/21/09 01:02 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Mick Ruthven   05/21/09 10:33 AM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Mat Waugh   05/20/09 10:16 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Robert Mann [HPN-NY]   05/21/09 12:25 AM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Robert Mann [HPN-NY]   05/20/09 10:02 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems John O'Shaughnessy [FCM]   05/20/09 09:33 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Bill Bridges - 9S1   05/20/09 10:08 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Scott Dyer [HPN/NY]   05/20/09 10:32 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Gil Buettner [KAUW]   05/20/09 08:29 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Roger Ferrer   05/20/09 09:09 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Trig Johnston   08/12/17 04:19 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Terry Carraway   08/13/17 04:15 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Randy Sohn   08/13/17 07:11 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Trig Johnston   09/25/17 08:44 AM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Randy Sohn   09/25/17 12:52 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Scott Dunham (RDU)   08/14/17 08:02 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Terry Carraway   08/15/17 08:21 AM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems nehoC hctiM   08/15/17 11:03 AM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Randy Sohn   08/26/17 05:58 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Scott Dunham (RDU)   08/15/17 04:31 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Dan Barclay [ORG]   05/21/09 12:46 AM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Anne Umphrey (KBED)   05/21/09 10:33 AM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Ray Tackett   05/21/09 08:54 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Roger Ferrer   05/22/09 09:27 AM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Ray Tackett   05/22/09 04:27 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems sreyoB yrraL   05/22/09 01:17 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Bill Bridges - 9S1   05/22/09 03:35 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Mike Stramba CNC3   05/29/09 11:43 AM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Roger Ferrer   06/03/09 09:48 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems John O'Shaughnessy [FCM]   06/29/09 05:26 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Mike Campos [CA]   07/09/09 06:18 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Roger Ferrer   07/09/09 06:54 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Jim Gifford   07/11/09 10:16 AM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Roger Ferrer   07/17/09 01:41 AM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Mike Campos [CA]   07/28/09 12:15 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Roger Ferrer   07/29/09 03:38 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Mike Stramba CNC3   07/29/09 07:12 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Roger Ferrer   07/30/09 08:23 AM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Mike Campos [CA]   07/30/09 02:01 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Mike Campos [CA]   08/10/09 05:25 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Scott Dyer [HPN/NY]   08/10/09 06:41 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Mike Campos [CA]   08/11/09 10:38 AM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Roger Ferrer   08/11/09 09:08 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Anne Umphrey (KBED)   08/16/09 09:30 AM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Roger Ferrer   08/22/09 09:56 AM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Roger Ferrer   08/09/09 10:46 AM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Kcid LlirreM   08/13/09 09:37 AM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Roger Ferrer   08/13/09 08:53 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Scott Dyer [HPN/NY]   08/09/09 12:46 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Ralph Jones   08/09/09 12:20 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems sreyoB yrraL   07/30/09 12:33 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Mase Taylor   07/29/09 04:13 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Anne Umphrey (KBED)   07/29/09 04:01 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Mike Stramba CNC3   07/17/09 06:48 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Ray Tackett   07/17/09 08:39 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Ray Tackett   07/17/09 06:15 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Anne Umphrey (KBED)   07/17/09 07:44 AM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Roger Ferrer   07/17/09 08:33 AM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Andy Dulay [PGD]   07/18/09 09:06 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Roger Ferrer   07/27/09 12:15 AM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Ray Tackett   07/27/09 10:32 AM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Anne Umphrey (KBED)   07/27/09 08:19 AM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Mike Stramba CNC3   07/27/09 01:38 AM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Scott Dyer [HPN/NY]   07/17/09 07:33 AM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Larry James (KVKX)   07/17/09 06:09 AM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems John O'Shaughnessy [FCM]   07/10/09 02:58 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems sreyoB yrraL   07/10/09 12:00 AM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Anne Umphrey (KBED)   07/09/09 09:40 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Ray Tackett   06/04/09 05:50 AM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Roger Ferrer   06/04/09 10:21 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Ray Tackett   06/05/09 05:42 AM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Cole Loftus [C89]   06/04/09 12:28 AM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Mike Campos [CA]   06/01/09 12:33 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Roger Ferrer   05/22/09 02:04 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Dan Barclay [ORG]   05/22/09 04:21 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Ron Rosenfeld (EPM)   05/22/09 03:16 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems sreyoB yrraL   05/22/09 02:16 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Ray Tackett   05/22/09 11:51 AM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Scott Dyer [HPN/NY]   05/22/09 10:58 AM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Tina Gonsalves (7B6)   05/22/09 07:37 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Dan Barclay [ORG]   05/21/09 06:17 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Kcid LlirreM   05/22/09 09:00 AM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Anne Umphrey (KBED)   05/21/09 08:44 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Anne Umphrey (KBED)   05/20/09 09:46 PM

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