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Mike Stramba CNC3
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Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems
      05/29/09 11:43 AM

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One advantage I had was I was flying everyday.




That's a very important point IMO.

Roger, how often are you flying?

If less than twice a week, you might want to augment your training with a flight simulator.

http://www.flightgear.org/ is free, and very good, has a 172 that flies fairly realistically (for a sim) ;)

I also started flight training in "middle age" (44).

It took me "awhile" to learn to land. The first few attempts were ugly, and sometimes scary.

How much ground training re: landings did you get before flying?

In my case, I received almost none, other than "read the flight training manual", and that undoubtedly didn't help my initial progress ... or lack thereof.

After about my 4th or 5th lesson, I was referred to the chief instructor, and in one 15 minute ground session, and two flights around the pattern made all the difference in the world !

For the ground instruction, he showed me a neat trick :

Stand up beside a table top, then gradually sink / squat down while looking down at the table top and observe how it "flattens out" as you get lower. Same visual effect happens while descending in the plane.

He also had me put the nose of the plane in the same attitude during the flare, as it had during takeoff, and hold the nose on the end of the runway, adding back pressure as the speed / altitude decreased.

Here's an interesting take on landings :
http://www.av8n.com/how/htm/landing.html


"Stick and Rudder: An Explanation of the Art of Flying"
by Wolfgang Langewiesche is a classic "must read" too :)

Mike

Edited by Mike Stramba CNC3 (05/29/09 12:43 PM)

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* Student Pilot - Landing Problems Roger Ferrer 05/20/09 08:04 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Dave Millikan   06/03/09 10:34 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Roger Ferrer   06/04/09 10:24 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Robert Mann [HPN-NY]   06/05/09 12:38 AM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Mike Campos [CA]   05/22/09 08:39 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Roger Ferrer   05/23/09 07:31 AM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Tina Gonsalves (7B6)   05/23/09 07:22 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Mike Campos [CA]   05/24/09 11:53 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Robert Mann [HPN-NY]   05/23/09 07:48 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Tina Gonsalves (7B6)   05/23/09 08:12 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems sreyoB yrraL   05/23/09 09:39 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Tina Gonsalves (7B6)   05/24/09 05:39 AM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Ray Tackett   05/24/09 10:38 AM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Tina Gonsalves (7B6)   05/24/09 07:43 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Ray Tackett   05/24/09 09:06 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Tina Gonsalves (7B6)   05/25/09 06:46 AM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Bruce Gorrell [EQY]   05/24/09 03:16 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Ray Tackett   05/24/09 06:40 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Ward Miller POU-NY   05/24/09 06:06 AM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Tina Gonsalves (7B6)   05/24/09 07:36 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Robert Mann [HPN-NY]   05/23/09 08:29 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Tina Gonsalves (7B6)   05/24/09 05:26 AM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Robert Mann [HPN-NY]   05/24/09 01:21 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Tina Gonsalves (7B6)   05/24/09 07:44 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Robert Mann [HPN-NY]   05/24/09 07:53 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Tom Tyson [SUW]   05/23/09 09:16 AM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems B. Butler (Oregonian)   05/23/09 01:08 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Ray Tackett   05/26/09 05:31 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Tom Tyson [SUW]   05/23/09 07:31 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems sreyoB yrraL   05/21/09 01:01 AM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Roger Ferrer   05/21/09 09:41 AM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems sreyoB yrraL   05/21/09 11:24 AM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Roger Ferrer   05/21/09 11:41 AM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems sreyoB yrraL   05/21/09 12:06 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Roger Ferrer   05/21/09 12:16 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Anne Umphrey (KBED)   05/21/09 02:34 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Roger Ferrer   05/21/09 03:41 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Jim Gifford   05/21/09 06:13 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Ray Tackett   05/21/09 01:02 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Mick Ruthven   05/21/09 10:33 AM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Mat Waugh   05/20/09 10:16 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Robert Mann [HPN-NY]   05/21/09 12:25 AM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Robert Mann [HPN-NY]   05/20/09 10:02 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems John O'Shaughnessy [FCM]   05/20/09 09:33 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Bill Bridges - 9S1   05/20/09 10:08 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Scott Dyer [HPN/NY]   05/20/09 10:32 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Gil Buettner [KAUW]   05/20/09 08:29 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Roger Ferrer   05/20/09 09:09 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Trig Johnston   08/12/17 04:19 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Terry Carraway   08/13/17 04:15 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Randy Sohn   08/13/17 07:11 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Trig Johnston   09/25/17 08:44 AM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Randy Sohn   09/25/17 12:52 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Scott Dunham (RDU)   08/14/17 08:02 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Terry Carraway   08/15/17 08:21 AM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems nehoC hctiM   08/15/17 11:03 AM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Randy Sohn   08/26/17 05:58 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Scott Dunham (RDU)   08/15/17 04:31 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Dan Barclay [ORG]   05/21/09 12:46 AM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Anne Umphrey (KBED)   05/21/09 10:33 AM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Ray Tackett   05/21/09 08:54 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Roger Ferrer   05/22/09 09:27 AM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Ray Tackett   05/22/09 04:27 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems sreyoB yrraL   05/22/09 01:17 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Bill Bridges - 9S1   05/22/09 03:35 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Mike Stramba CNC3   05/29/09 11:43 AM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Roger Ferrer   06/03/09 09:48 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems John O'Shaughnessy [FCM]   06/29/09 05:26 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Mike Campos [CA]   07/09/09 06:18 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Roger Ferrer   07/09/09 06:54 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Jim Gifford   07/11/09 10:16 AM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Roger Ferrer   07/17/09 01:41 AM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Mike Campos [CA]   07/28/09 12:15 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Roger Ferrer   07/29/09 03:38 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Mike Stramba CNC3   07/29/09 07:12 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Roger Ferrer   07/30/09 08:23 AM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Mike Campos [CA]   07/30/09 02:01 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Mike Campos [CA]   08/10/09 05:25 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Scott Dyer [HPN/NY]   08/10/09 06:41 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Mike Campos [CA]   08/11/09 10:38 AM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Roger Ferrer   08/11/09 09:08 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Anne Umphrey (KBED)   08/16/09 09:30 AM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Roger Ferrer   08/22/09 09:56 AM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Roger Ferrer   08/09/09 10:46 AM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Kcid LlirreM   08/13/09 09:37 AM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Roger Ferrer   08/13/09 08:53 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Scott Dyer [HPN/NY]   08/09/09 12:46 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Ralph Jones   08/09/09 12:20 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems sreyoB yrraL   07/30/09 12:33 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Mase Taylor   07/29/09 04:13 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Anne Umphrey (KBED)   07/29/09 04:01 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Mike Stramba CNC3   07/17/09 06:48 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Ray Tackett   07/17/09 08:39 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Ray Tackett   07/17/09 06:15 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Anne Umphrey (KBED)   07/17/09 07:44 AM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Roger Ferrer   07/17/09 08:33 AM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Andy Dulay [PGD]   07/18/09 09:06 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Roger Ferrer   07/27/09 12:15 AM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Ray Tackett   07/27/09 10:32 AM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Anne Umphrey (KBED)   07/27/09 08:19 AM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Mike Stramba CNC3   07/27/09 01:38 AM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Scott Dyer [HPN/NY]   07/17/09 07:33 AM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Larry James (KVKX)   07/17/09 06:09 AM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems John O'Shaughnessy [FCM]   07/10/09 02:58 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems sreyoB yrraL   07/10/09 12:00 AM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Anne Umphrey (KBED)   07/09/09 09:40 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Ray Tackett   06/04/09 05:50 AM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Roger Ferrer   06/04/09 10:21 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Ray Tackett   06/05/09 05:42 AM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Cole Loftus [C89]   06/04/09 12:28 AM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Mike Campos [CA]   06/01/09 12:33 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Roger Ferrer   05/22/09 02:04 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Dan Barclay [ORG]   05/22/09 04:21 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Ron Rosenfeld (EPM)   05/22/09 03:16 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems sreyoB yrraL   05/22/09 02:16 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Ray Tackett   05/22/09 11:51 AM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Scott Dyer [HPN/NY]   05/22/09 10:58 AM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Tina Gonsalves (7B6)   05/22/09 07:37 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Dan Barclay [ORG]   05/21/09 06:17 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Kcid LlirreM   05/22/09 09:00 AM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Anne Umphrey (KBED)   05/21/09 08:44 PM
. * * Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems Anne Umphrey (KBED)   05/20/09 09:46 PM

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