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nehoC hctiM
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Have you ever known "This Guy?"
      #441993 - 08/26/17 11:30 AM

"Flying from Pvd to ORD yesterday, actually deadheading in Uniform, the military type guy sitting next to me asked me about flying.
I asked him if he had ever flown?
He told me that his dad owns a small plane on his farm in SD.
Soldier also told me his dad use to take him up a lot.
Then he told me that he has soloed many times.

I asked if he ever had any flight instructors teach him, or a student pilots license? As he smiled and told me no, reminded me of a good place to start a thread on Avsig.

Also reminded me of a VFR pilot that came to me once for a proficiency check.
This guy told me that he was in the regular business of flying into the coulds in So Calif, and penetrating solid overcast layers till getting on top, then proceeding VFR after.
Hitches were, no IFR rating and no IFR flight plan.

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Scott Dyer [HPN/NY]
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Re: Have you ever known "This Guy?" [Re: nehoC hctiM]
      #441999 - 08/26/17 04:36 PM

Mitch -- What sort of proficiency check did he come to you for?

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nehoC hctiM
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Re: Have you ever known "This Guy?" [Re: Scott Dyer [HPN/NY]]
      #442022 - 08/27/17 11:26 AM

At the time he showed up for a mission orientation ride which was the same as a Bfr or Ipc but also was focused on forms, procedures and the like for my charity flying group.
This flight was scrapped as a requirement for this group very close to the start of 2000, against recommendations of myself and several other that were finding approximately 1/4 of the pilots showing up need serious remedial training.
50% obtained extra training then came back to pass with flying colors.
The other 50% probably figured it wasn't worth their trouble.
Can't remember if that pilot in question returned or not.
In my twenty years of charity flying I'm proud to say that 100% of the hundreds I flew with and passed. were accident free.

As to the original question, have you ever bumped into anyone that admitted or even bragged at breaking the FARs or rules?

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Ralph Jones
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Re: Have you ever known "This Guy?" [Re: nehoC hctiM]
      #442023 - 08/27/17 11:54 AM

Quote:

have you ever bumped into anyone that admitted or even bragged at breaking the FARs or rules?



The guy who took a sailplane under the Rio Grande Gorge Bridge outside Taos was pretty open about it...

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Andy Alson (HPN/NY)
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Re: Have you ever known "This Guy?" [Re: nehoC hctiM]
      #442024 - 08/27/17 12:08 PM

Well, I've spoken with and spend time with the guy who talked about and even posted this video of flying under the Tappan Zee Bridge.

Under TZ Bridge

Andy


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Ralph Jones
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Re: Have you ever known "This Guy?" [Re: Andy Alson (HPN/NY)]
      #442025 - 08/27/17 12:33 PM

The list of "bridge jobs" goes on and on...the St. Louis Arch was done by a Commander twin with the numbers taped over, and the Mackinac Straits Bridge was done by a B-47.

The former got away with it; the latter was busted.

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Tom Charlton
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Re: Have you ever known "This Guy?" [Re: nehoC hctiM]
      #442026 - 08/27/17 01:19 PM

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As he smiled and told me no, reminded me of a good place to start a thread on Avsig


Hi Mitch,

I’ve kind’a lost track of the number now but . . . during a lifetime in aviation, sadly I’ve successfully predicted a bad outcome for more than a few. Ya meet them, sort’a get to know them, and come away think’n . . . hmm, don’t know when or where but . . . Then at some later date I’d get word of their demise.

I think perhaps a common thread was a projected mentality of invulnerability.

Regards,
Tom Charlton (who has certainly done his share of stupid stuff)

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Scott Dyer [HPN/NY]
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Re: Have you ever known "This Guy?" [Re: nehoC hctiM]
      #442031 - 08/27/17 02:19 PM

Quote:

At the time he showed up for a mission orientation ride which was the same as a Bfr or Ipc but also was focused on forms, procedures and the like for my charity flying group.
This flight was scrapped as a requirement for this group very close to the start of 2000, against recommendations of myself and several other that were finding approximately 1/4 of the pilots showing up need serious remedial training.
50% obtained extra training then came back to pass with flying colors.
The other 50% probably figured it wasn't worth their trouble.
Can't remember if that pilot in question returned or not.
In my twenty years of charity flying I'm proud to say that 100% of the hundreds I flew with and passed. were accident free.

As to the original question, have you ever bumped into anyone that admitted or even bragged at breaking the FARs or rules?




Mitch -- Not that I can recall.

I was asking about the type of proficiency check, to gain more insight for my next question to you: what did you do?

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B. Butler (Oregonian)
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Re: Have you ever known "This Guy?" [Re: Ralph Jones]
      #442032 - 08/27/17 03:33 PM

Quote:

The list of "bridge jobs" goes on and on....




Let's not forget Pilot Officer Catermole.

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Richard Duxbury (Dux)
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Re: Have you ever known "This Guy?" [Re: nehoC hctiM]
      #442034 - 08/27/17 05:06 PM

Well no, really don't have much experience with single engine VFR pilots. Mostly military or commercial airline pilots.

Does not mean that some of those were not stupid pilots somewtimes -including Dux.

Regards,

Dux -from cool and rain showers Minneapolis


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