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Bill Bridges - 9S1
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The End of FAA Charts?
      #431303 - 10/03/16 11:48 PM

This article on the possible end of FAA Charts as we know them was interesting especially for those of us who grew up of DOD plates. :)

Bill


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Jeff Hartmann CIC
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Re: The End of FAA Charts? [Re: Bill Bridges - 9S1]
      #431312 - 10/04/16 09:50 AM

I pulled out an enroute chart the other day. Clearance had me using an airway to intercept an airway. I knew there was an intersection there, easier to program the FMS.

I guess they don't give you the intersection name because it is not (officially) on both airways...(?) looks like it is though.

CREWE if U R curious. J14 to intercept J51

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Andy Alson (HPN/NY)
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Re: The End of FAA Charts? [Re: Jeff Hartmann CIC]
      #431318 - 10/04/16 11:33 AM

Is there anything on the chart that shows that CREWE is not on both of those airways? It sure looks like a real intersection on the chart.

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sreyoB yrraL
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Re: The End of FAA Charts? [Re: Jeff Hartmann CIC]
      #431319 - 10/04/16 12:01 PM

Quote:

I guess they don't give you the intersection name because it is not (officially) on both airways...(?) looks like it is though.



They don't give it because their system doesn't need it. The ATC computer is quite happy with the routing ..J14.J51..; our airborne systems, of course, are not.


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Jeff Hartmann CIC
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Re: The End of FAA Charts? [Re: sreyoB yrraL]
      #431321 - 10/04/16 02:38 PM

To Andy, I looked at it after I typed...on both, no little u shaped mark.

Lawrence, Tis a pain sometimes...but easier for the Feds.

Half the time we get a clearance to JEANY, the other to a GSO 058/38.

Other than checking these things, the charts are folded..

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Edited by Jeff Hartmann (EXX/SVH) (10/04/16 02:52 PM)


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Bill Bridges - 9S1
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Re: The End of FAA Charts? [Re: Jeff Hartmann CIC]
      #431322 - 10/04/16 03:23 PM

Have any of you used Sky Vector Charts? What I like about Skyvector is the ease of changing from High to Low and to VFR.

I also use AirNav.

Bill


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Andy Alson (HPN/NY)
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Re: The End of FAA Charts? [Re: Jeff Hartmann CIC]
      #431323 - 10/04/16 03:40 PM

Jeff, not sure what u shaped mark you're looking for but on the Hi alt chart at CREWE there is a little arrow along J14 which I thought meant that it was the airway defining that intersection along the crossing airway. Wouldn't that mean that the intersection had to be defined by those airways and that it had to be on both of them?

Andy


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Andy Alson (HPN/NY)
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Re: The End of FAA Charts? [Re: Andy Alson (HPN/NY)]
      #431324 - 10/04/16 03:44 PM

Jeff, also there are breaks in the line for both of the airways which would mean the intersection is part of the airways. Compare with FLASK which appears to be on both Q69 and J48 but there is no break in the line for Q69 indicating it's not really a part of that airway?

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Jeff Hartmann CIC
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Re: The End of FAA Charts? [Re: Andy Alson (HPN/NY)]
      #431325 - 10/04/16 03:49 PM

Right Andy,

The U I referred to is sometimes used to show an intersection is not part of an airway. Not a letter U, but the airway has a little U around the intersection. As in don't include this. Rather than the break in the line you mentioned.

I typed then looked, need to engage brain, then keyboard. :-)

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Scott Dyer [HPN/NY]
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Re: The End of FAA Charts? [Re: Jeff Hartmann CIC]
      #431332 - 10/04/16 08:25 PM

Quote:

I pulled out an enroute chart the other day. Clearance had me using an airway to intercept an airway. I knew there was an intersection there, easier to program the FMS.

I guess they don't give you the intersection name because it is not (officially) on both airways...(?) looks like it is though.

CREWE if U R curious. J14 to intercept J51




Jeff - I had the same thing with V airways as I headed for Duluth....intercept one airway from another, west of ELZ VOR (upstate NY). 1) There is an intersection there; 2) Before I got there I asked for direct BUF and got it (as always). I have never flown the route given on the ground when heading toward BUF.


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