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Jerry Kurata [KLVK]
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Oh to be an airline pilot at Xmas
      #332283 - 01/02/12 12:16 PM

I have often thought it would be neat to be an airline pilot and get paid to fly. But then reality strikes when I read a story like this.

http://news.yahoo.com/family-kicked-off-plane-too-many-kids-tried-235706662.html


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Mase Taylor
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Re: Oh to be an airline pilot at Xmas [Re: Jerry Kurata [KLVK]]
      #332293 - 01/02/12 02:25 PM

This whole fiasco could have been avoided if the family had just leveled with a reservations agent in advance, up front, when making their reservations. Or read the web site. In depth.

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Russell Holton
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Re: Oh to be an airline pilot at Xmas [Re: Mase Taylor]
      #332304 - 01/02/12 02:59 PM

Quote:

This whole fiasco could have been avoided if the family had just leveled with a reservations agent in advance, up front, when making their reservations. Or read the web site. In depth.




"The option for infants or kids under 2 is not included unless you look at a different part of the website and click again for a further explanation."

I wouldn't expect anyone to go over the entire website. This sounds like bad website design. Flying with children under 2 isn't so unusual that there shouldn't be some kind of mention/link on it when you go to buy tickets.

I am suspecting the Fickes might be right. What options do parents with that number of children have?


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nehoC hctiM
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Re: Oh to be an airline pilot at Xmas [Re: Jerry Kurata [KLVK]]
      #332309 - 01/02/12 03:48 PM

What if Nadia Sulamon shows up?

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B. Butler (Oregonian)
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Re: Oh to be an airline pilot at Xmas [Re: Russell Holton]
      #332311 - 01/02/12 04:09 PM

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I am suspecting the Fickes might be right. What options do parents with that number of children have?




The same option we all have, buy each kid a ticket and install an approved carseat, just like I did with each of my kids. "Laps" are bad policy and poor parenting.

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Edited by B. Butler (Oregonian) (01/02/12 04:09 PM)


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Bruce Gorrell [EQY]
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Re: Oh to be an airline pilot at Xmas [Re: B. Butler (Oregonian)]
      #332313 - 01/02/12 04:18 PM

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... "Laps" are bad policy and poor parenting.




Instant meat missiles in case of accident. Regardless of what the website did or didn't say, didn't the Fickes consider that it was a REALLY REALLY bad idea to have a 3 year old hold an infant?


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Scott Dyer [HPN/NY]
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Oh to be an airline pilot at Xmas [Re: B. Butler (Oregonian)]
      #332316 - 01/02/12 04:44 PM

Bill -- We did that, too, from birth, for each. No lapsitters. PITA
carrying the car seat, but we usually needed one at the destination end
anyway for car travel.


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Scott Dyer [HPN/NY]
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Re: Oh to be an airline pilot at Xmas [Re: Russell Holton]
      #332317 - 01/02/12 04:51 PM

Russell -- I can understand why just buying another seat doesn't do it (not without the car seat), but I wonder why the crew didn't think it was ok for another adult passenger to care for/hold one of the little ones? Perhaps it was out of concern that while the 3d party would hold the kid for t/o and landing, that the kid would be in the row with the rest of the family at other times and that would pose a problem should there be a decompression event at cruise?

Still, the parents really ought to buy a seat for each human in the family.


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sreyoB yrraL
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Re: Oh to be an airline pilot at Xmas [Re: Russell Holton]
      #332321 - 01/02/12 05:05 PM

Quote:

I wouldn't expect anyone to go over the entire website. This sounds like bad website design. Flying with children under 2 isn't so unusual that there shouldn't be some kind of mention/link on it when you go to buy tickets.



If they bought their tickets online (they didn't) the site would have told them that they can't have more babes-in-arms than they have adults over 18.

Of course, many people don't even mention the babes-in-arms to the airline until they're at the airport since they are free. That's why you hear announcements about checking in with the gate agent if you have one and your boarding pass doesn't indicate it.


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sreyoB yrraL
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Re: Oh to be an airline pilot at Xmas [Re: Scott Dyer [HPN/NY]]
      #332322 - 01/02/12 05:14 PM

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but I wonder why the crew didn't think it was ok for another adult passenger to care for/hold one of the little ones?



The policy is that the adult and the babe-in-arms must be traveling together. Makes sense that you wouldn't want babies to be handed over to strangers who could decide to withdraw their cooperation mid-flight if the baby acted up.

Not sure that any regulation addresses this.


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