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Ward Miller POU-NY
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Loc: New York
NW pilots blame FAA
      #275488 - 12/07/09 03:40 PM

The NWA pilots who overshot their destination are now in part blaming the FAA
controllers. And FO Cole says he should not be punished or it should be
lessened because he was relying on Captain Cheney "as the pilot in command of
the aircraft to fulfill his responsibilities."

The documents they filed with the NTSB said the controllers did not follow
FAA's rules and practices and did not coordinate effectively with NW
dispatchers. The documents did not offer any details.

See: http:tinyurl.com/ybylsx4


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Scott Dyer [HPN/NY]
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NW pilots blame FAA [Re: Ward Miller POU-NY]
      #275493 - 12/07/09 04:50 PM

Ward -- Let the furball begin!

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Bruce Gorrell [EQY]
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Re: NW pilots blame FAA [Re: Ward Miller POU-NY]
      #275498 - 12/07/09 05:23 PM

What a way to throw your buddy under the bus!!! I don't think that dog will hunt.

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Richard Duxbury (Dux)
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Re: NW pilots blame FAA [Re: Ward Miller POU-NY]
      #275505 - 12/07/09 07:35 PM

I'm still unsure what really happened in that NWA A320 cockpit.

But the facts are there. Overshot their destination -and yes they had big tailwinds, which were built into their flight plan.

Yes, they landed about 15 minutes late with plenty of fuel.

Now it looks like lawyers will be talking for the pilots-or at least the Copilot.

ALPA has provided legal help for sure -but I doubt if this was part of the ALPA legal help.

When you lose your job and career (well for about a year IMO), some folks take hasty action. Come on, the 1st Officer was only helping the Captain out on how to figure out the new (and from what I understand complex) schedule bid system.

I wonder if some folks on cell phones or text stuff, drive by their exit on the interstate?

Yes, I wish that the aviation safety community could have used this as a training example. Instead it's been late night TV jokes and now the lawyers.

Sigh,

Regards,

Dux from rainy Tucson with snow in the mountains


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Ward Miller POU-NY
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Re: NW pilots blame FAA [Re: Richard Duxbury (Dux)]
      #275516 - 12/07/09 10:36 PM

Dux, my father taught me when something goes wrong, 1) tell the truth, and 2)
stick with it. In my view, there are enough actual facts to question the
truthfulness of their original explanation. And now they are blaming the
controllers. A poor strategy, in my view.

They themselves are supplying the fodder for the late night shows.


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Joe Budge (W29)
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Re: NW pilots blame FAA [Re: Richard Duxbury (Dux)]
      #275518 - 12/07/09 10:45 PM

Quote:

Yes, I wish that the aviation safety community could have used this as a training example. Instead it's been late night TV jokes and now the lawyers.




Oh, I think it's a training example few pilots will forget for a long time!

Regards,
Joe


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Scott Dunham (RDU)
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Re: NW pilots blame FAA [Re: Richard Duxbury (Dux)]
      #275521 - 12/07/09 11:03 PM

>> I wonder if some folks on cell phones or text stuff, drive by their exit on the interstate?

Hopefully, not while driving a commercial bus full of paying passengers.


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Richard Duxbury (Dux)
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Re: NW pilots blame FAA [Re: Ward Miller POU-NY]
      #275543 - 12/08/09 11:50 AM

All my experience working with ALPA attorneys during various FAA violations, incidents, and yes, accidents; the attorneys and the pilots on the safety committee would always note:

Tell the truth-period.

Now we would also sometimes note to keep it just to the fractual information. No additional volunteer information, unless you were in a total non punitative situation.

I frankly don't know where this 1st Officer's attempt to blame the Captain, FAA, Company, perhaps Airbus, is going. I could be wrong but I doubt if ALPA attorneys are pushing this development. Wonder if he beat the dog that night.

I must note that I do not know either pilot at all.

Regards,

Dux


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Mase Taylor
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Re: NW pilots blame FAA [Re: Scott Dunham (RDU)]
      #275544 - 12/08/09 11:53 AM

Quote:

>> I wonder if some folks on cell phones or text stuff, drive by their exit on the interstate?

Hopefully, not while driving a commercial bus full of paying passengers.




There was a Train Accident here last year with casualties where it was shown the operator was texting just before colliding with a second train.



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Edited by Mase Taylor [L.A] (12/08/09 12:09 PM)


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Scott Dunham (RDU)
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Re: NW pilots blame FAA [Re: Mase Taylor]
      #275578 - 12/08/09 07:18 PM

I'm quite familiar with that one. Commercial vehicle operators are generally held to a pretty high standard for a good reason, whether it's a train, a Wheelbus or an Airbus.

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