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Mase Taylor
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Here We Go, Let's Ban Laptops In Cockpits.....
      #271826 - 11/04/09 06:50 PM

"North Dakota Sen. Byron Dorgan will propose a measure to ban the use of laptop computers and other "personal electronic devices" in airliner cockpits in response to the distraction of two Northwest Airlines pilots last month that they say led to their missing their destination of Minneapolis."

AVWEB

Overreaction, and probably unenforceable....

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nehoC hctiM
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Re: Here We Go, Let's Ban Laptops In Cockpits..... [Re: Mase Taylor]
      #271840 - 11/04/09 08:25 PM

Can picture it now:

TSA having an additional magnatometer for us to walk through, and a sealed box for all laptops, cell phones and MP-3 devices, as well as USA today and anything that can distract a pilot prior to entering the cockpit!

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Jerry Kurata [KLVK]
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Re: Here We Go, Let's Ban Laptops In Cockpits..... [Re: nehoC hctiM]
      #272048 - 11/06/09 11:05 AM

Well, it happens in corporate America. The company across from where I work bans MP3 players, headphone, and non corporate site internet access. Also, the only cell phones that can be used on their campus are the corporate issue Blackberries. The company I am at only allows corporate computers to be connected to the wired or wireless networks. All internet and voice traffic at both companies is monitored.

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Ward Miller POU-NY
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Re: Here We Go, Let's Ban Laptops In Cockpits..... [Re: Jerry Kurata [KLVK]]
      #272062 - 11/06/09 01:02 PM

Jerry, is there anything wrong with that?

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Jerry Kurata [KLVK]
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Re: Here We Go, Let's Ban Laptops In Cockpits..... [Re: Ward Miller POU-NY]
      #272092 - 11/06/09 03:44 PM

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Jerry, is there anything wrong with that?




Yes. I would never want to watch employees like that and provide a restrictive work place environment. In my case, most of these people are doing research and development and need access to information sources other than those within the company.

Jerry


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Ward Miller POU-NY
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Re: Here We Go, Let's Ban Laptops In Cockpits..... [Re: Jerry Kurata [KLVK]]
      #272130 - 11/06/09 08:32 PM

Jerry, I was taking what you wrote at face value.

>> Well, it happens in corporate America. The company across from where I
work bans MP3 players, headphone, and non corporate site internet access.
<<

I don't know what kind of company that is, but I cannot imagine paying
employees to listen to their personal music while they are supposed to be
working. Same goes for Internet access, if it is for personal reasons.

>> Also, the only cell phones that can be used on their campus are the
corporate issue Blackberries. <<

For whatever reason, that is the employer's option and a condition of
employment. I have been in places of business where I saw/heard employees
carrying on personal conversations on personal cellphones (or company
telephones). That may be what they are trying to curb. Maybe they want
their employees to *work* during the work day, not conduct personal business
on company time.

>> The company I am at only allows corporate computers to be connected to
the wired or wireless networks. <<

The company pays for the computers, pays for the networks and pays for the
hours the employees work. It is their option how all this is used.

>> All internet and voice traffic at both companies is monitored. <<

I don't believe you mentioned the business of either company, but I can think
of several businesses where monitoring might be an option the employer could
occasional find necessary. "All"? I can't imagine an employer doing that.
The necessary resources would be staggering. Can you elaborate?

>> In my case, most of these people are doing research and development and
need access to information sources other than those within the company. <<

Ok. You did not reveal that in the post I questioned. If that is recognized
by the employer as necessary for their job performance, then the employer
should provide for it. If the employer specifically states all information
must come from within the company, for whatever reasons, that again is a
condition of employment.

I was originally questioning what I perceived to be an attitude the employees
were restricted from doing personal things on company time. Maybe I
misunderstood.

I've been on both sides of these issues. For example, I've had an employee
have more than 30 personal phone calls a day, had an employee surreptitiously
use a company computer for his personal business, another used a company
computer to manage his investment portfolio with numerous transaction a day.
In each case, the employee was misappropriating business resources in order
to avoid personal expense, plus stealing time from the company clock. So
sometimes a few employees cause restrictive policies that must be applied
to all.

If an employer is in business to make money, he must be aware of those
activities that detract from that objective.


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