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Bob Dubner
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ATP requirements may be reduced [Re: Randy Sohn]
      #444783 - 11/11/17 11:21 PM

Funny you should mention the "...only way to accrue EXPERIENCE."

My sister, who's living with our aging parents, texted me today, asking if it
was okay if she loaded up Adobe Flash player onto my mother's Mac.

I told her that Apple doesn't much like Adobe, and so enabling Flash can be a
bit of a hassle, but if she had a good reason, she should go ahead.

And I asked why she wanted to do that.

Turns out she wants to renew her CPR certification, and she can do it online,
but the online process needs Flash.

I spent the rest of the day occasionally mulling over just how happy I'd be,
if I ever needed CPR, if the person delivering it had been certified by a
computer program. Oh, well. I suppose I wouldn't actually refuse it. But,
still.

On the other hand, my sister reminded me that no matter how many times she's
done CPR on the practice dummy, it never started breathing on its own.


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Tom Charlton
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Re: ATP requirements may be reduced [Re: Bob Dubner]
      #444784 - 11/12/17 06:08 AM

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CPR on the practice dummy, it never started breathing on its own.


Hi Bob,
Hmm . . . CPR practice dummy v full monty aircraft simulator.
Been my experience the sim could get the heart to beatín quicker. Also gitícha ta perspiratín profusely<grin>.

My impression is training and safety concepts from the world of aviatín has perhaps spilled over into the world of medicine.
* Simulation.
* Checklist.

Regards,
Tom Charlton

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Ray Tackett
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ATP requirements may be reduced [Re: Bob Dubner]
      #444785 - 11/12/17 09:08 AM

Decades ago, I was a Red Cross CPR instructor. The dummies at that time were
the ResusciAnnes, which could be disassembled and folded into a carrying case.

One unit was the Heimlich maneuver, shown on film first, then students
practiced the position on each other. They were cautioned not to do the
"pop" on someone who did not need it, due to the risks of doing other damage.

Once, a student was really interested in knowing how hard to do the maneuver,
and asked if I would demonstrate on the dummy. I gave "her" a hearty pop and
the head fell off and rolled to the back of the room.

That pretty much ended that evening's session. It's hard to do CPR while
laughing.

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Terry Carraway
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Re: ATP requirements may be reduced [Re: Dave Siciliano (ADS)]
      #444786 - 11/12/17 09:41 AM

I don't see what a degree has to do with anything.

I can see that reduction for military, due to the intensive training.

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nehoC hctiM
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Re: ATP requirements may be reduced [Re: Terry Carraway]
      #444788 - 11/12/17 10:28 AM

Quote:

I don't see what a degree has to do with anything.

I can see that reduction for military, due to the intensive training.




Makes Riddle and the like happy.
Eases recruitment by reducing costs of becoming an airline pilot or atp based on degree at certain universities.

See my earlier thoughts on degree/hrs/not always the sign of a good pilot.

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Ward Miller POU-NY
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ATP requirements may be reduced [Re: Bob Dubner]
      #444789 - 11/12/17 11:21 AM

>> On the other hand, my sister reminded me that no matter how many times
she's done CPR on the practice dummy, it never started breathing on its own.
<<

Bob, let me tell ya, there is nothing like the thrill of giving CPR and
seeing the patient begin to breath on his own. The vast majority of the
times, we were unsuccessful. <sigh>


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Dave Siciliano (ADS)
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Re: ATP requirements may be reduced [Re: Terry Carraway]
      #444791 - 11/12/17 11:45 AM

Just an indicator of a level of accomplishment. Believe it or not, it does teach one how to learn and develops basic learning skills. Still need to demonstrate flying ability. Always exceptions.

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Ralph Jones
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Re: ATP requirements may be reduced [Re: Dave Siciliano (ADS)]
      #444793 - 11/12/17 12:48 PM

Yes, it's more screening than training. A degree means somebody has tried to impart an organized body of knowledge to you, and they succeeded.

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Dave Siciliano (ADS)
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Re: ATP requirements may be reduced [Re: Ralph Jones]
      #444798 - 11/12/17 02:26 PM

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Yes, it's more screening than training. A degree means somebody has tried to impart an organized body of knowledge to you, and they succeeded.




I'll go way out on a limb here and add it actually builds neural network connections in the brain that facilitates learning in those areas.

I went back to school after service and found myself gaining reading, analysis and communications abilities I simply didn't have when younger.


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Terry Carraway
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Re: ATP requirements may be reduced [Re: Ward Miller POU-NY]
      #444821 - 11/13/17 01:43 PM

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The vast majority of the times, we were unsuccessful. <sigh>




The last time I had training, the mantra was, the person is dead. You might be able to bring them back.

But if not, you are NOT unsuccessful, as they were already dead.

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Terry
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