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Dave Siciliano (ADS)
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ATP requirements may be reduced
      #444730 - 11/10/17 03:22 PM

"This plan would reduce the flight time hour requirement for military pilots from 750 hours to 500; for pilots with a bachelor's degree from 1,000 hours to 750; and for pilots with an associate's degree from 1,250 hours to 1,000. The Air Line Pilots Association, which has resisted efforts to create alternative pathways to help pilots meet the 1,500-hour requirement, endorsed the recommendation."

http://www.aviationnews.net/index.cfm?do=headline&news_ID=269199


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Randy Sohn
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Re: ATP requirements may be reduced [Re: Dave Siciliano (ADS)]
      #444733 - 11/10/17 06:04 PM

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, endorsed the recommendation."




Chuckle, quidado! Spent a l-o-n-g time training airline pilots, seen it BOTH ways! One I particularly remember had an "equvilent" high school graduation certificate, one of the absolute best pilots that I've ever encountered. Another one had a veritable plethora of degrees aft of his name and we ended up firing him! OTOH, one other impressed us enough to later take him into the flight training dept. as a instructor. So - it works both ways - you can only accrue EXPERIENCE in one way (and it's not from a book).

best, randy


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Bill Bridges - 9S1
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Re: ATP requirements may be reduced [Re: Randy Sohn]
      #444736 - 11/10/17 07:40 PM

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- you can only accrue EXPERIENCE in one way (and it's not from a book).

best, randy




Randy,

I think back on my time in SE Asia and other than leaving with 1,500 hours total flight time, I'm just not sure if that made me a better pilot?

What I thought did make me a better pilot was the three years I spent as an Instrument IP after returning to the World.

Bill


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Randy Sohn
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Re: ATP requirements may be reduced [Re: Bill Bridges - 9S1]
      #444751 - 11/10/17 10:31 PM

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years I spent as an Instrument IP




Yup, prolly nuth'n like thinking up four or five different ways to say the same thing to someone about how to make something work out right.

Or, (come to think of it) recovering from some of the situations the student put you in <g>.

best, randy


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nehoC hctiM
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Re: ATP requirements may be reduced [Re: Randy Sohn]
      #444764 - 11/11/17 11:05 AM

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Quote:

, endorsed the recommendation."




Chuckle, quidado! Spent a l-o-n-g time training airline pilots, seen it BOTH ways! One I particularly remember had an "equvilent" high school graduation certificate, one of the absolute best pilots that I've ever encountered. Another one had a veritable plethora of degrees aft of his name and we ended up firing him! OTOH, one other impressed us enough to later take him into the flight training dept. as a instructor. So - it works both ways - you can only accrue EXPERIENCE in one way (and it's not from a book).

best, randy





Exactly.
Total time, and or degrees does not necessarily mean a quality candidate.

When asked how to improve online pilots, sim testing of visual approaches and true crosswind landing and takeoff techniques would tell me about 99% of what I need to know about flying skill.

Rod machado says, a Monkey can fly an ILS Approach.

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Randy Sohn
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Re: ATP requirements may be reduced [Re: nehoC hctiM]
      #444768 - 11/11/17 02:51 PM

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visual approaches and true crosswind landing and takeoff techniques would tell me about 99% of what I need to know




Concur on that and the 99%!

best, randy


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Ray Tackett
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ATP requirements may be reduced [Re: nehoC hctiM]
      #444770 - 11/11/17 04:36 PM

What Randy said. Any CFI with a bit of experience can usually tell how the
flight will go by the time they reach the hold short line. After that, the
specifics will vary, but the quality is already known.

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Randy Sohn
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Re: ATP requirements may be reduced [Re: Ray Tackett]
      #444773 - 11/11/17 06:35 PM

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will go by the time they reach the hold short line




Ya know Ray, guess that I've never verbalized it before but think the same as you, many times have felt/said "hey man, just lemm'e watch while he taxi's it out and I'll pretty much be able to tell you how it'll go".

best, randy


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Ray Tackett
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ATP requirements may be reduced [Re: Randy Sohn]
      #444775 - 11/11/17 07:32 PM

Not just taxi, but preflight, engine start, and runup (if required) as well.

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Randy Sohn
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Re: ATP requirements may be reduced [Re: Ray Tackett]
      #444777 - 11/11/17 07:56 PM

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Not just taxi, but preflight, engine start, and runup (if required) as well.




Yup, that's what I'd said/meant, done all those things by the time he'd taxiied it out to the hold short line.

best, randy


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