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Russell Holton
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Re: Are slot machines random? [Re: Bob Dubner]
      #441409 - 08/09/17 11:02 PM

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But casinos are private property, and they can ask anybody to leave for any reason. Counting is one of those reasons, although they don't have to explain why.



Fair enough.


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There was a case once in New Jersey where a casino sued a card counter, actually making the argument that card counting changed the odds and messed up their business model. I recall that the case was dismissed by the judge.



That sounds right.


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Scott Dunham (RDU)
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Re: Are slot machines random? [Re: Bob Dubner]
      #441443 - 08/11/17 12:25 AM

Counting itself is not illegal, all the way up to the Nevada Supreme Court. There was an interesting case where a counter provided false ID to the casino when buying $29,000 in chips: the casino had to fill out a cash transaction report for that, and he gave them a fake passport from Burma because he was (under his real name) already identified as a card counter. He subsequently won about $44,000, which the casino tried to recover as a product of fraud. The courts agreed with the casino up to the NV Supreme Court, which noted that he'd won the money by playing blackjack well, not because of the fake ID, and directed the casino to pay up.

The underlying status was as you described: the casino can refuse to do business with anyone they choose, so if they figure out that you're counting, you can get 86'd.


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