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Dave Siciliano (ADS)
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May need some crosswind landing help in Prague
      #431517 - 10/10/16 05:42 PM

Paging Andy!

Winds don't seem that back from what's posted.

Best,

Dave

http://tinyurl.com/jofmwwb


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Tom Charlton
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Re: May need some crosswind landing help in Prague [Re: Dave Siciliano (ADS)]
      #431519 - 10/10/16 06:15 PM

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Paging Andy!
Winds don't seem that back (bad?) from what's posted.
http://tinyurl.com/jofmwwb


Hi Dave,

Wowser! What I see looking at the movement of the tops of the trees on final approach is consistent with the stated thirteen knot wind. Didnít notice much activity on the flight control surfaces. Dunno, someone asleep at the helm?

Couldía been one of them there ďair pocketsĒ<g>.

Regards,
Tom Charlton

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Randy Sohn
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Re: May need some crosswind landing help in Prague [Re: Tom Charlton]
      #431520 - 10/10/16 06:28 PM

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Winds don't




Tomasina, chuckle, sorta reminds me of a few of my students during their first landings (come to think of it - "attempts").

And that "airpockets" of yours, <g>!

best, randy


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Richard Duxbury (Dux)
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Re: May need some crosswind landing help in Prague [Re: Tom Charlton]
      #431651 - 10/15/16 06:03 PM

Also could be a (really) new low time pilot with not much (if any) big jet experience. Well it could also be some 12,000 hour pilot -but from the video, this does not look like more than a routine challenge for an experienced Boeing/Airbus pilot.


Get ready for a lot of this stuff in the coming aviation international (and perhaps domestic) commercial passenger jet passenger carriers. Vast shortage of new experienced pilots and the retirement of all world pilots now set at age 65, which will drop a LOT of experienced pilots in the coming 2-4 years.

Cargo boxes, well good luck. Older aircraft and perhaps coming brand new pilots.

Never remember cross winds without thinking of Lajes and sometimes Iceland.

I hope that the new and inexperienced big jet pilots will learn (quickly) that a go around and, yes, a diversion is better than an incident/accident. I hope that the airline aviation safety departments have a program that allows this (error to the safety decision)and non career limiting reporting, as a mainstay of their philosophy.

OK, enough from Dux. Yes missed BP's today, cannot really still claim a bad cold, which has gotten better.

Hmm, Minneapolis temps still in the 70's. It was warmer last night in Bloomington than Tucson. (Well, it's a dew point weather thing -it was also 90 degrees in Tucson).

Regards,

Dux


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sreyoB yrraL
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Re: May need some crosswind landing help in Prague [Re: Dave Siciliano (ADS)]
      #431652 - 10/15/16 06:07 PM

Someone should really install rudders on these airplanes...

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nehoC hctiM
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Re: May need some crosswind landing help in Prague [Re: sreyoB yrraL]
      #431712 - 10/17/16 09:08 PM

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Someone should really install rudders on these airplanes...




And wake up the sleeping feet.

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Bill Bridges - 9S1
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Re: May need some crosswind landing help in Prague [Re: sreyoB yrraL]
      #431716 - 10/17/16 10:42 PM

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Someone should really install rudders on these airplanes...




More than once in T-41s in flight school I ran out of rudder and talent about the same time doing max crosswind landings. A couple of times I was out of rudder with a wing low and struggling to stop the drift. Just as I start to flare and pull the power back the wind quits and I find myself headin' for the weeds mucho pronto. :)

Bill


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Ken Korshin KMIA
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Re: May need some crosswind landing help in Prague [Re: Richard Duxbury (Dux)]
      #432396 - 11/05/16 10:03 AM

Dux,
>>Never remember cross winds without thinking of Lajes and sometimes Iceland.<<
A conversation from years ago:
ETOPS alternate Lajes on the release. Airport winds about 10-12 Kts
Runway 33 winds 80 deg xwind at 25 kts.
Capt: Iíll need KEF for the alternate Lajes is unsuitable due to wind
Disp: Donít you know that the airport reported wind is controlling
Capt: Donít you know that the airplane lands on the runway and the most likely reason I would be landing at Lajes would be due to an engine loss? I couldnít care less what the controlling winds are.

So nice to be retired!

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Ken


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Randy Sohn
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Re: May need some crosswind landing help in Prague [Re: Ken Korshin KMIA]
      #432400 - 11/05/16 11:34 AM

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Runway 33 winds 80 deg xwind at 25 kts




Chuckle, you done gone and reminded me again of how those winds would come over that hill up there off to the east side of the runway at LPA!

best, randy (who agrees "it's good to be retired")


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