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Bill Bridges - 9S1
Top Gun


Reged: 05/17/04
Posts: 6008
Loc: 9S1
Re: A-10 News [Re: Dave Siciliano (ADS)]
      #432225 - 10/30/16 07:48 PM

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The AF never has seemed to want to emphasize the CAS role. It's always played second fiddle or less.
Having the bit of cobra time I have, the A-10 was a great step up. The Army never could have supported it, or I would have been in line to have flown it.




Dave,

Terry may disagree, but the A-10 could never get in as close the folks on the ground as the "G" could with a "20". If I was at "fixed bayonets" I'm not sure I would not have preferred the "C" or "M". Just say'n.

BTDT. :))

Bill


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Terry Carraway
Top Gun


Reged: 06/02/04
Posts: 7098
Loc: Maryland
Re: A-10 News [Re: Stephanie Belser-2]
      #432248 - 10/31/16 02:52 AM

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DUH.

Why did it take so long for them to see the obvious????




Two words: Fighter mafia.




Yeah. And they REALLY hated losing to a Hog air to air. :)

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Terry Carraway
Top Gun


Reged: 06/02/04
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Re: A-10 News [Re: Dave Siciliano (ADS)]
      #432249 - 10/31/16 02:53 AM

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The AF never has seemed to want to emphasize the CAS role. It's always played second fiddle or less.
Having the bit of cobra time I have, the A-10 was a great step up. The Army never could have supported it, or I would have been in line to have flown it.




And also the Key West Accord. The AF would never let the Army get the camel nose under the flap.

It was not that they did not emphasize it, it was that they would not admit that it takes a different airframe to do CAS properly.

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Terry
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Reams Goodloe
Top Gun


Reged: 05/07/04
Posts: 2582
Loc: Kent, Washington
Re: A-10 News [Re: Terry Carraway]
      #432252 - 10/31/16 03:04 AM

>>And when they shut down production, they had the tooling and production drawing destroyed, to make sure it would not be resurrected. :( <<

Yes, but..
.
....The cost to reverse engineer things is minuscule compared to the pre-laser scanner and computerized data acquisition days. And, with such computerized data, the tooling isn't that big of a deal, but might be a bit more expensive if you don't let the Chinese do it...<g> There are some good shops in Mexico, however. In any event, duplication of the machined parts in the US wouldn't be that difficult or expensive, from a design standpoint.

Seems like the same "get lost" we are destroying everything about that aircraft which the USAF did to the Navy's P6M, when the AF won the "we're gonna carry the bomb" contest. Kinda of an institutional habit which reoccurs from time to time...

- Reams-


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Scott Perdue (50F)
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Reged: 05/01/04
Posts: 1126
Loc: Texas
Re: A-10 News [Re: Stephanie Belser-2]
      #432256 - 10/31/16 08:01 AM

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Quote:

DUH.

Why did it take so long for them to see the obvious????




Two words: Fighter mafia.




The Fighter Mafia were actually the folks responsible for the A10... and forcing it on the Air Force. John Boyd wasn't satisfied with the F-15.... he went on to push what became the F-16. During that time they pushed the A10 and killed the B-1 for the first time.

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Richard Duxbury (Dux)
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Reged: 05/15/04
Posts: 5468
Loc: Minneapolis/Tucson
Re: A-10 News [Re: Terry Carraway]
      #432386 - 11/04/16 09:21 PM

Well, back in Tucson now -and the local anti-noise people (non military) are also happy with the sorta quiet A-10 news. I don't know what the Az Air Guard -at the civil airport will do with their F-16's, but they also have a late version.

In any event, it's good to see the A-10's over Tucson. Got to the Base Exchange today (and class 6 store), and again noted that military pilots must be 19 years old, even as LT's.

Sigh -turn 80 this month.

Regards, Dux -wished I had made the last BP's, but too busy packing, etc.


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Tom Tyson [SUW]
Glider Guider


Reged: 05/27/04
Posts: 4691
Loc: KSUW
Re: A-10 News [Re: Tom Tyson [SUW]]
      #432446 - 11/06/16 10:55 PM

... and this - the mission.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_L_TjXXx7eQ

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Tom Tyson-A&P

Pilots without Mechanics are just Pedestrians with fancy watches.


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Scott Dunham (RDU)
Top Gun


Reged: 04/29/04
Posts: 6470
Loc: Chapel Hill, NC
Re: A-10 News [Re: Richard Duxbury (Dux)]
      #432451 - 11/07/16 10:45 AM

>> ...19 years old...

No kidding. Went on a short carrier qual cruise on the Harry Truman a couple of years ago. We were in the CATCC watching the show and the tracking board, so we knew the pilot names. Saw a bunch if them in the officers mess the next morning and quickly concluded that the average new F18 pilot was a sophomore in high school or darn close to it.

Of course, last time I was up in DCA tower I got the same feeling. It's possible that I'm getting old, too...


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Mase Taylor
Top Gun


Reged: 04/29/04
Posts: 9446
Loc: SOCAL
Re: A-10 News [Re: Scott Dunham (RDU)]
      #432462 - 11/07/16 02:17 PM

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It's possible that I'm getting old, too...




You know you're getting old when your airline pilots and flight attendants look younger than your kids.

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Terry Carraway
Top Gun


Reged: 06/02/04
Posts: 7098
Loc: Maryland
Re: A-10 News [Re: Mase Taylor]
      #432468 - 11/07/16 03:35 PM

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Quote:

It's possible that I'm getting old, too...




You know you're getting old when your airline pilots and flight attendants look younger than your kids.




I don't know what airlines you are flying, but the FAs on the US Majors do NOT look young. :D

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Terry
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