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Jeff Hartmann CIC
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Re: The End of FAA Charts? [Re: Scott Dyer [HPN/NY]]
      #431333 - 10/05/16 01:31 AM

>>>> I have never flown the route given on the ground when heading toward BUF. <<<<

It's that steely eyed camel smokin gravely captains voice....they recognize true talent...direct anywhere!

What you say is true, quite often on a convoluted route you spend more time loading it, than flying the shortcut to the house.

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Mac Tichenor (DAL)
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Re: The End of FAA Charts? [Re: Bill Bridges - 9S1]
      #431337 - 10/05/16 04:58 AM

Quote:

Sky Vector Charts?



Sky Vector is probably the best online chart interface out there. Unfortunately, it doesn't have the best planning/briefing/filing system to go along with it. I like fltplan.com and end up defaulting its charting function, even though it's not as good.


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Scott Dunham (RDU)
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Re: The End of FAA Charts? [Re: Jeff Hartmann CIC]
      #431442 - 10/08/16 04:44 AM

There is no requirement that all airway intersection points be named. The airways either intersect or they don't, and ATC can clear aircraft accordingly. The computers do have an internal non-publshed intersection point in the adaptation that links the two routes, but the internal point should never be publicly visible or included in a clearance.

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sreyoB yrraL
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Re: The End of FAA Charts? [Re: Scott Dunham (RDU)]
      #431446 - 10/08/16 01:51 PM

I don't understand why this disconnect developed between what the ATC computers can do and what the airborne RNAV and FMS systems do.

When Honeywell, Collins, Garmin, etc. were developing their products ATC was already issuing airway-to-airway clearances without a common fix so why didn't they include that capability? I don't get it.


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Scott Dunham (RDU)
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Re: The End of FAA Charts? [Re: sreyoB yrraL]
      #431452 - 10/08/16 08:44 PM

Beats me -- I'm kind of surprised that an FMS can't handle that, but I guess the answer lies in some TSO. It may involve the need for those fake fixes - FAA had to create them to establish common points on both routes for their computers to use, but they aren't part of the legal definition of the route(s) so maybe the FMS companies didn't adopt the same strategy.

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Bill Bridges - 9S1
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Re: The End of FAA Charts? [Re: Scott Dunham (RDU)]
      #431453 - 10/08/16 09:36 PM

I would think that it would be the FMS not having enough computing capacity.

Bill


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Jeff Hartmann CIC
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Re: The End of FAA Charts? [Re: Bill Bridges - 9S1]
      #431472 - 10/09/16 01:17 PM

The Collins FMS handles radial/distance easily, and can display airways on the MFD....

Just wish they would say jet xxx /intersection /jet xxy VOR , as they do for airways to VORs.

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Bruce Gorrell [EQY]
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Re: The End of FAA Charts? [Re: sreyoB yrraL]
      #431483 - 10/10/16 01:35 AM

I don't remember it coming up with the Smiths, but with the Honeywells in the Hawke and the Excel, we could put in ABC/050/XYZ/270 to define crossing radials. That still required a chart, of course, at which time you would find a named intersection 90% of the time.

Edited by Bruce Gorrell [EQY] (10/10/16 01:37 AM)


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sreyoB yrraL
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Re: The End of FAA Charts? [Re: Bruce Gorrell [EQY]]
      #431547 - 10/11/16 08:02 PM

You can do the radials but then you haven't loaded the airways which include any fixes along the way. Only way I know to do it is look up the fix at the intersection. Same for the GA RNAV units I've used.

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Bruce Gorrell [EQY]
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Re: The End of FAA Charts? [Re: sreyoB yrraL]
      #431557 - 10/12/16 03:08 AM

The airway interactions aren't always named. If not, you just run the airway to ABC, enter the intersecting radials, direct to XYZ (or the next intersection if there's one before ZYZ) and pick up the new airway.

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