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Scott Dyer [HPN/NY]
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FSS Changes (122.0 going away & ICAO-only FPs)
      #405018 - 02/25/15 04:40 PM

An announcement from the FAA:

"On October 1, 2015, the FAA will consolidate Flight Watch services into routine flight services inflight frequencies to eliminate unnecessary duplication of service and provide greater convenience for pilots. These services provide inflight weather information to pilots. After that date, these services will be available on the same frequencies that pilots use to open and close flight plans and to receive updates on NOTAMs or Temporary Flight Restrictions (TFRs). Dedicated Flight Watch frequencies will be decommissioned.

"The FAA is proposing to phase out legacy Remote Airport Advisory Service. Seven of the airports do not meet the Agency's criteria for receiving advisory service. Flight Service is collaborating with our user groups on possible impacts and will be posting the proposed change in the Federal Register for public comment.

"Beginning on October 1, 2015, the FAA will implement flight plan filing for civil aircraft exclusively under the format used by the International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO). Flight plans contain specific information relating to the proposed flight of an aircraft and controllers use them to provide air traffic services. Today pilots file flight plans in the U.S. under either the domestic or ICAO format. The use of one format will simplify the process and align U.S. flight plans within ICAO standards."

See http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/ato/service_units/systemops/fs/changes/


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Ralph Jones
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Re: FSS Changes (122.0 going away & ICAO-only FPs) [Re: Scott Dyer [HPN/NY]]
      #405019 - 02/25/15 04:45 PM

Next accident, the TV news will say "The pilot did not file a flight plan in the proper format."

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Scott Dyer [HPN/NY]
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Re: FSS Changes (122.0 going away & ICAO-only FPs) [Re: Ralph Jones]
      #405032 - 02/25/15 09:10 PM

Ralph -- As between ICAO and the traditional US form, that doesn't matter much to me...but doing away with 122.0 is unfortunate as that was a system that works well.

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Re: FSS Changes (122.0 going away & ICAO-only FPs) [Re: Scott Dyer [HPN/NY]]
      #405035 - 02/25/15 09:35 PM

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but doing away with 122.0 is unfortunate as that was a system that works well.




I maintain that it has been decades since anything associated with FSS has "worked well". The whole "flight watch" fraud was a ploy to create a higher grade for selected FSS specialists by giving them an "advanced skillset". It was the same guys reading the same material after a two week school and getting paid more. Since the selling of FSS to Lockmart, I doubt that there is even that distinction; same guy, multiple freqs.

Good riddance...wait...are the Feds now paying Lockmart less because of the "reduction" in service? Wanna bet?

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Edited by B. Butler (Oregonian) (02/25/15 09:37 PM)


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Scott Dyer [HPN/NY]
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Re: FSS Changes (122.0 going away & ICAO-only FPs) [Re: B. Butler (Oregonian)]
      #405056 - 02/26/15 07:06 AM

Bill -- Didn't realize that FW was a higher pay grade. I have been pleased that they'd answer the calls in recent years, which wasn't always the case when the government ran FSS. FW has been about my only contact with the FSS network in the last 10 years or more, and then really only to provide pireps (since ATC isn't setup to make sure that each pirep given gets into the system).

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Reams Goodloe
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Re: FSS Changes (122.0 going away & ICAO-only FPs) [Re: B. Butler (Oregonian)]
      #405270 - 03/02/15 08:20 PM

>>Good riddance...wait...are the Feds now paying Lockmart less because of the "reduction" in service? Wanna bet? <<

Bill -

Wrong game these days.

From LM's point of view, it's "we're not gonna raise our rates to cover that service. By simply cutting out "unnecessary services," [by more than cost so they can raise profits] - so you won't have to ask for more money for LM in the next budget cycle.

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Rick Cremer
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Re: FSS Changes (122.0 going away & ICAO-only FPs) [Re: Scott Dyer [HPN/NY]]
      #406504 - 03/24/15 05:41 PM

Quote:

An announcement from the FAA:

"Beginning on October 1, 2015, the FAA will implement flight plan filing for civil aircraft exclusively under the format used by the International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO).




Good grief. I'm still trying to figure out how to decode a METAR and TAF report. Now this. Good thing I quit being a pilot-in-command of airplanes years ago.

The FAA does have a bunch of ICAO Flight Planning Information on its web site;

http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/head...ht_plan_filing/

http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/head...e_ref_guide.pdf

http://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/publications/atpubs/fss/AppendixA.htm


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Scott Dyer [HPN/NY]
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Re: FSS Changes (122.0 going away & ICAO-only FPs) [Re: Rick Cremer]
      #406508 - 03/24/15 06:37 PM

Rick -- I try to avoid all those ICAO codes and stuff, just entered it once for my aircraft on FLTPLAN.COM and it does what it needs to do each time I file a flight plan. I'd be in a world of hurt if I had to do it manually via a phone call to FSS!

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Richard Palm (PAO)
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Re: FSS Changes (122.0 going away & ICAO-only FPs) [Re: Scott Dyer [HPN/NY]]
      #407229 - 04/05/15 12:55 PM

I hope the places that rent airplanes will provide the equipment codes for them. Otherwise it could be a nightmare.

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Richard Palm (PAO)
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Re: FSS Changes (122.0 going away & ICAO-only FPs) [Re: Rick Cremer]
      #407230 - 04/05/15 01:02 PM

Quote:

Quote:

An announcement from the FAA:

"Beginning on October 1, 2015, the FAA will implement flight plan filing for civil aircraft exclusively under the format used by the International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO).




Good grief. I'm still trying to figure out how to decode a METAR and TAF report. Now this. Good thing I quit being a pilot-in-command of airplanes years ago.

The FAA does have a bunch of ICAO Flight Planning Information on its web site;

http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/head...ht_plan_filing/

http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/head...e_ref_guide.pdf

http://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/publications/atpubs/fss/AppendixA.htm


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