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Dave Siciliano (ADS)
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Re: Overreaching on TFR? [Re: Dave Siciliano (ADS)]
      #398467 - 10/28/14 12:08 PM

Any validity to this opinion?

This rule has nothing to do with security. It is all about advertising revenue...

The NFL, Nascar, Disney, and others saw a great opportunity to keep out the advertisers when 9-11 occurred. In the cloud of confusion surrounding that tragedy the saw an opportunity to run off the banner towers and seized it...

Congressman Sam Graves has tried repeatedly to reverse this, and NASCAR and the NFL fight it hard with big money everytime... The FAA reauthorization bill comes out next year, and it will be one of the things they try to get included, but the resistance will be very strong...

When this comes up next year we all need to be on the phones, emails, and letters...


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Dave Siciliano (ADS)
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Re: Overreaching on TFR? [Re: Dave Siciliano (ADS)]
      #398468 - 10/28/14 12:12 PM

The scope of these has grown immensely. Not uncommon to see over 70 TFRs a day now not counting the stadium TFRs like above.

Let's looks at current scope:

Dave
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(a) The FAA will issue a Notice to Airmen (NOTAM) designating an area of airspace in which a temporary flight restriction applies when it determines that a temporary flight restriction is necessary to protect persons or property on the surface or in the air, to maintain air safety and efficiency, or to prevent the unsafe congestion of aircraft in the vicinity of an aerial demonstration or major sporting event. These demonstrations and events may include:

(1) United States Naval Flight Demonstration Team (Blue Angels);

(2) United States Air Force Air Demonstration Squadron (Thunderbirds);

(3) United States Army Parachute Team (Golden Knights);

(4) Summer/Winter Olympic Games;

(5) Annual Tournament of Roses Football Game;

(6) World Cup Soccer;

(7) Major League Baseball All-Star Game;

(8) World Series;

(9) Kodak Albuquerque International Balloon Fiesta;

(10) Sandia Classic Hang Gliding Competition;

(11) Indianapolis 500 Mile Race;

(12) Any other aerial demonstration or sporting event the FAA determines to need a temporary flight restriction in accordance with paragraph (b) of this section.

(b) In deciding whether a temporary flight restriction is necessary for an aerial demonstration or major sporting event not listed in paragraph (a) of this section, the FAA considers the following factors:

(1) Area where the event will be held.

(2) Effect flight restrictions will have on known aircraft operations.

(3) Any existing ATC airspace traffic management restrictions.

(4) Estimated duration of the event.

(5) Degree of public interest.

(6) Number of spectators.

(7) Provisions for spectator safety.

(8) Number and types of participating aircraft.

(9) Use of mixed high and low performance aircraft.

(10) Impact on non-participating aircraft.

(11) Weather minimums.

(12) Emergency procedures that will be in effect.

(c) A NOTAM issued under this section will state the name of the aerial demonstration or sporting event and specify the effective dates and times, the geographic features or coordinates, and any other restrictions or procedures governing flight operations in the designated airspace.

(d) When a NOTAM has been issued in accordance with this section, no person may operate an aircraft or device, or engage in any activity within the designated airspace area, except in accordance with the authorizations, terms, and conditions of the temporary flight restriction published in the NOTAM, unless otherwise authorized by:

(1) Air traffic control; or

(2) A Flight Standards Certificate of Waiver or Authorization issued for the demonstration or event.

(e) For the purpose of this section:

(1) Flight restricted airspace area for an aerial demonstration—The amount of airspace needed to protect persons and property on the surface or in the air, to maintain air safety and efficiency, or to prevent the unsafe congestion of aircraft will vary depending on the aerial demonstration and the factors listed in paragraph (b) of this section. The restricted airspace area will normally be limited to a 5 nautical mile radius from the center of the demonstration and an altitude 17000 mean sea level (for high performance aircraft) or 13000 feet above the surface (for certain parachute operations), but will be no greater than the minimum airspace necessary for the management of aircraft operations in the vicinity of the specified area.

(2) Flight restricted area for a major sporting event—The amount of airspace needed to protect persons and property on the surface or in the air, to maintain air safety and efficiency, or to prevent the unsafe congestion of aircraft will vary depending on the size of the event and the factors listed in paragraph (b) of this section. The restricted airspace will normally be limited to a 3 nautical mile radius from the center of the event and 2500 feet above the surface but will not be greater than the minimum airspace necessary for the management of aircraft operations in the vicinity of the specified area.

(f) A NOTAM issued under this section will be issued at least 30 days in advance of an aerial demonstration or a major sporting event, unless the FAA finds good cause for a shorter period and explains this in the NOTAM.


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Jeff Hartmann CIC
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Reged: 05/18/04
Posts: 7323
Loc: Chico,CA
Re: Overreaching on TFR? [Re: Mac Tichenor (DAL)]
      #398471 - 10/28/14 01:13 PM

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AND INCLUDING 3000 FT AGL OF ANY STADIUM HAVING A SEATING CAPACITY OF 30,000 OR MORE PEOPLE WHERE EITHER A REGULAR OR POST SEASON MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL, NATIONAL FOOTBALL LEAGUE, OR NCAA DIVISION ONE FOOTBALL GAME IS OCCURRING. THIS NOTAM ALSO APPLIES TO NASCAR SPRINT CUP, INDY CAR, AND CHAMP SERIES RACES EXCLUDING QUALIFYING AND PRE-RACE EVENTS. FLIGHTS CONDUCTED FOR OPERATIONAL PURPOSES OF ANY EVENT, STADIUM OR VENUE AND...





Sounds like a lazy way to cover the bases.....no need to look up stuff, it is all on the pilot.

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Jeff

nothing clever to say right now...


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Ray Tackett
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Reged: 04/30/04
Posts: 8892
Loc: Philadelphia, USA
Overreaching on TFR? [Re: Jeff Hartmann CIC]
      #398488 - 10/28/14 06:51 PM

I'll bet this was written by the same post-9/11 genius who outlawed flying
within ten miles of a nuclear power plant AND refused to disclose their
locations on national security grounds.

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Ray,

Owner, Lake Wood Be Gone

Turning quality lumber into sawdust and noise since 2013.


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Scott Dunham (RDU)
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Reged: 04/29/04
Posts: 6470
Loc: Chapel Hill, NC
Re: Overreaching on TFR? [Re: Ray Tackett]
      #398519 - 10/28/14 09:27 PM

Yeah, they had the locations of all the FAA radar sites on a public web database for at least 12 years, and then some genius decided the locations were sensitive. So...next time you're out at the airport, don't tell anybody where that orange and white thing spinning around on top of an orange and white tower is.

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Kcid LlirreM
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Reged: 05/15/04
Posts: 4768
Loc: Chuckey, TN
Re: Overreaching on TFR? [Re: Dave Siciliano (ADS)]
      #398598 - 10/30/14 03:34 AM

So glad to see the NUDE Miss America event, in Indiana, is not on your list:)

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Stephanie Belser-2
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Reged: 04/28/04
Posts: 7139
Loc: KFAM
Re: Overreaching on TFR? [Re: Dave Siciliano (ADS)]
      #398603 - 10/30/14 08:56 AM

Quote:

This rule has nothing to do with security. It is all about advertising revenue...




Without a doubt. They wanted to keep the banner-tow guys away and they succeeded because "terrorism".

Every time some blowhard politician starts blathering on about terrorism, I think of that clown in Chicago who carved up Meigs Field.

(May a loathsome disease afflict his genitals.)

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If you wish to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the universe.-- Carl Sagan


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Richard Palm (PAO)
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Reged: 04/30/04
Posts: 5388
Loc: PUDBY
Re: Overreaching on TFR? [Re: John O'Shaughnessy [FCM]]
      #398609 - 10/30/14 12:10 PM

According to a post on a local email list, it looks like the main change relative to the earlier version of the TFR is that they added unmanned aircraft and remote controlled aircraft to the prohibition.

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