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Dave Siciliano (ADS)
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Re: Citation II info [Re: Randy Sohn]
      #394757 - 08/04/14 01:31 PM

Reading the story of my life might be a good cure for insomnia; no way one could stay awake through a chapter; hard even for me ;)

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Tom Charlton
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Re: Citation II info [Re: Dave Siciliano (ADS)]
      #394777 - 08/04/14 08:03 PM

Quote:

Dave wrote:
no way one could stay awake through a chapter


Hi Dave,
Probably wouldn’t sleep through the one about the jolly green jungle.

Regards,
Tom Charlton

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Dave Siciliano (ADS)
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Re: Citation II info [Re: Tom Charlton]
      #395410 - 08/17/14 01:22 PM

Moved a step closer to getting a Citation II. Flying a trip Thursday to see how the plane does at altitude. Spent yesterday afternoon with some folks that will help me find a plane. We've narrowed our preliminary list to four plane, but are open to another if we see something good. Not in a hurry, but we're going to actively start looking and comparing.

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Tom Charlton
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Re: Citation II info [Re: Dave Siciliano (ADS)]
      #395423 - 08/18/14 09:23 AM

Quote:

Dave wrote:
Moved a step closer to getting a Citation II. Flying a trip Thursday to see how the plane does at altitude. Spent yesterday afternoon with some folks that will help me find a plane. We've narrowed our preliminary list to four plane, but are open to another if we see something good. Not in a hurry, but we're going to actively start looking and comparing.


Hi Dave,
I’m enjoying your updates on the Citation II deal. Most advanced aircraft I qualified on was a new C-208B that I conned our company into buying. Was well suited to the mission and a blast to fly.

So… You won’t be showing up at Duluth in that dumpy ole C-90 will’ya? <gd&r>

Regards,
Tom Charlton (who’ll arrive in a dumpy ole motor-home)

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Dave Siciliano (ADS)
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Re: Citation II info [Re: Tom Charlton]
      #395432 - 08/18/14 03:58 PM

Still planning on flying the KA. Chasing Citations, but you know how that goes. And it will take awhile to get the type rating; then, longer to fly single pilot. Heck, I may be retired by then ;)

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Dave Siciliano (ADS)
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Re: Citation II info [Re: Dave Siciliano (ADS)]
      #395586 - 08/23/14 07:42 PM Attachment (186 downloads)

Took the Citation IISP to FL390 today. Took about 30 minutes. The last couple thousand feet were at 500 FPM. Mid 30s we were still climbing at 750 FBM. Here's a pic of the Garmin there. Close to .6 mach. Instructor said FL380 and 390 were to get best longer range number at decent airspeed. He said the plane was much less efficient at FL430; airspeed loss for fuel savings wasn't worth it. If one needs a bit more range, to go to the above levels and pull throttles back a bit. Mid 30s was faster but used more fuel.

Edited by Dave Siciliano (ADS) (08/23/14 07:42 PM)


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Mase Taylor
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Re: Citation II info [Re: Dave Siciliano (ADS)]
      #395587 - 08/23/14 08:30 PM

Sounds good!

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Tom Charlton
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Re: Citation II info [Re: Dave Siciliano (ADS)]
      #395596 - 08/24/14 01:36 PM

Quote:

Dave wrote:
Took the Citation IISP to FL390 today. Took about 30 minutes. The last couple thousand feet were at 500 FPM. Mid 30s we were still climbing at 750 FBM. Here's a pic of the Garmin there. Close to .6 mach. Instructor said FL380 and 390 were to get best longer range number at decent airspeed. He said the plane was much less efficient at FL430; airspeed loss for fuel savings wasn't worth it. If one needs a bit more range, to go to the above levels and pull throttles back a bit. Mid 30s was faster but used more fuel.


Hi Dave,
Hmm… must’ve been this flight? Perhaps FL430 eastbound if the Jetstream is at your six?

Regards,
Tom Charlton (who don’t know nutt’n bout fly’n no stinking jets<g>)

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Dave Siciliano (ADS)
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Re: Citation II info [Re: Tom Charlton]
      #395597 - 08/24/14 02:58 PM

That looks like part of it. We departed Addison on the Texoma DP to Tulsa; direct Fort Smith, then Jonez5 arrival. Plane really loses efficiency above FL390. Ceiling is 430 but one would only use that for unusual weather or winds like you say. Seems 380 and 390 are normally used for best range. Mid 30s for more speed, but one can fly mid 30s and reduce power a bit to get a bit more fuel efficiency. Like in my KA with a 300 ceiling, it can go there, but it doesn't do well.

Edited by Dave Siciliano (ADS) (08/24/14 02:59 PM)


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sreyoB yrraL
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Re: Citation II info [Re: Dave Siciliano (ADS)]
      #395599 - 08/24/14 03:17 PM

So what are your impressions of flying the jet after the KA and Baron?

The hardest part for me when I made the transition was airspeed control as it responded a lot slower than with props.


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