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Dave Siciliano (ADS)
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ATP ground course recommendation
      #390379 - 05/06/14 10:22 AM

I may get a chance to dry lease a jet; insurance agent suggested I go ahead and get the ground portion of the ATP done now, so it's finished when I take the type ride. Any recommendations for a course/book I should buy to study? I noticed glancing at a few there was a choice between 121 and 135 questions. I'll be flying part 91; do I need to choose one of these to study or study both?

Thanks in advance.

Dave


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sreyoB yrraL
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Re: ATP ground course recommendation [Re: Dave Siciliano (ADS)]
      #390380 - 05/06/14 11:01 AM

It makes no difference if you do the part 135 or part 121 test. They give both options so those who are already flying commercially can take the test using the regulations that they're already operating under. Once you pass one of the tests they are interchangeable.

I always like the King Schools courses. The dumb jokes kept it from being too boring. Sporty's makes good videos too but they've always seemed a bit dry to me. If you prefer studying a book, instead of a video, the Gleim courses are very popular. They present the material in a very condensed format, almost like CliffsNotes.


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Scott Dyer [HPN/NY]
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Re: ATP ground course recommendation [Re: Dave Siciliano (ADS)]
      #390381 - 05/06/14 11:54 AM

Dave -- What Larry said. I did the Gleim book, just working the problems, to good effect.

But, yeah, get the written out of the way before the witching hour later this year so you don't have to do the motion sim stuff as training for the rating, an old Seminole would do just fine....


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Re: ATP ground course recommendation [Re: Dave Siciliano (ADS)]
      #390385 - 05/06/14 02:10 PM

I imagine you could take the flight portion during a Sim recurrent.(they always use ATP standards, so you have been there done that, just rinse and repeat)..but the studying...(groan).

I used a book by K.T. (Katy?) Boyd. Long before the quicky programs and schools. I'm trying to remember if it was based on the 727 and the Connie, or the 727 and the Electra...or was that the written for FE....no matter...ATP is only good for (me)insurance premiums now.

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Cole Loftus [C89]
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Re: ATP ground course recommendation [Re: Dave Siciliano (ADS)]
      #390389 - 05/06/14 04:01 PM

The King online course is half-price right now.

As I understand it, it pays to study both 121 and 135 regardless of which test you choose, since there's a chance of getting questions on both. I gather that the 121 leans more towards jets, and the 135 towards turboprop.


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Scott Dyer [HPN/NY]
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Re: ATP ground course recommendation [Re: Cole Loftus [C89]]
      #390391 - 05/06/14 04:51 PM

Cole -- Has the test changed? When I did it, it was either 135 or 121, and there were no 121 questions on my test.

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Cole Loftus [C89]
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Re: ATP ground course recommendation [Re: Scott Dyer [HPN/NY]]
      #390398 - 05/06/14 07:11 PM

It's my understanding that you pick the 121 or 135 test, but 121 questions have been showing up on the 135 test, and vice versa. Not always, not that many, but it's happening.

The Kings say that's why their online course covers 121 and 135.


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Scott Dyer [HPN/NY]
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Re: ATP ground course recommendation [Re: Cole Loftus [C89]]
      #390407 - 05/06/14 10:06 PM

Cole -- Ugh. Why have two separate tests if they mix questions like that? (That's rhetorical..I know we're dealing with the FAA.)

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Mase Taylor
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Re: ATP ground course recommendation [Re: Dave Siciliano (ADS)]
      #390409 - 05/06/14 10:26 PM

Well, I could be wrong but I don't believe you need the ATP just to get a type rating, you could even do it as a PPL unless you were planning on getting paid to do it? So in that case there would be only two reasons: Self-satisfaction, braggin' rights, and insurance. Oh, that's 3 reasons.

Enjoy. You've been flying to those standards all along.

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Cole Loftus [C89]
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Re: ATP ground course recommendation [Re: Mase Taylor]
      #390413 - 05/06/14 11:30 PM

You could be wrong, but you're not.

But if you have to fly the type rating checkride to ATP standards, anyway. . .


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