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Scott Dyer [HPN/NY]
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Snake Bit AA767
      #342816 - 05/17/12 04:00 PM

Poor passengers...JFK flight to Port au Prince ended up diverting to IAD due
to flight control issues (" first officer's flight director indicators as
well as the captain's air speed bug were removed from displays after the
right autopilot got engaged. The aircraft subsequently experienced multiple
flight director, autopilot and autothrottle anomalies").

Nine hours later, the pax departed IAD on a replacement 767. They still
didn't get to the destination, because the HF radios went inop in the
vicinity of MIA and so the aircraft diverted there.

Poor crews, too, having to put up with the equipment problems.

http://www.avherald.com/h?article=44fa8279&opt=0


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Richard Duxbury (Dux)
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Reged: 05/15/04
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Re: Snake Bit AA767 [Re: Scott Dyer [HPN/NY]]
      #342838 - 05/17/12 08:17 PM

Well,

Another sigh,

AA has some significant problems -and yes they are going through Chapter 11; 7 years too late IMO.

Most of the problems (IMO) is management -yes top level management. WSJ seems to agree, which, of course, is mostly management oriented.

OK, they also have some major union problems (pilots and FA's are now paid below industry standards- and are unhappy).

But they likely have 8,000 union mechanics on the official AA payroll. Northwest had 5,000 union mechanics in 1996 -today, even with the Delta merger, we probably have less than 1,000 on the Delta/Northwest payroll today. Outsourced -and and non union.

I don't know what the long (or even short term) safety problems will result with this continued problems at AA.

I also don't know how we can add 19,000 new pilots of big jets throughout the international world in the next few years-with out some safety problems.

Brand new glass airplanes, brand new pilots with limited experience-except with fancy glass stuff. Stay tunned.

Stll, the aircraft are SO much safer and seldom have problems.

Not the case with my USN R-3348 hours in the P5M and P2V.

Regards,

Dux -from windy and warm Minnesota


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Randy Sohn
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Reged: 08/31/01
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Re: Snake Bit AA767 [Re: Richard Duxbury (Dux)]
      #342843 - 05/17/12 09:05 PM

Quote:

Well,

Another sigh,

AA has some significant problems




Just now talked to Chris "Junior" Manno (former Avsig) down in Ft. Worth, "ain't just American", sorry to say.

best, randy


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Bruce Gorrell [EQY]
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Reged: 04/29/04
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Loc: Charlotte, NC
Re: Snake Bit AA767 [Re: Scott Dyer [HPN/NY]]
      #343064 - 05/20/12 08:55 PM

Quote:

Poor passengers...JFK flight to Port au Prince ended up diverting to IAD due
to flight control issues (" first officer's flight director indicators as
well as the captain's air speed bug were removed from displays after the
right autopilot got engaged. The aircraft subsequently experienced multiple
flight director, autopilot and autothrottle anomalies").

Nine hours later, the pax departed IAD on a replacement 767. They still
didn't get to the destination, because the HF radios went inop in the
vicinity of MIA and so the aircraft diverted there.

Poor crews, too, having to put up with the equipment problems.

http://www.avherald.com/h?article=44fa8279&opt=0




I guess "If it's Boeing I ain't going?"

Strange on the second one. Haiti is easy with no HF. Airways in radar contact all the way to San Juan. We took a 737 to San Juan during the AA FA strike (late 90s?) with no HF.


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sreyoB yrraL
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Reged: 05/16/04
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Re: Snake Bit AA767 [Re: Bruce Gorrell [EQY]]
      #343084 - 05/20/12 10:48 PM

Quote:

Strange on the second one. Haiti is easy with no HF. Airways in radar contact all the way to San Juan. We took a 737 to San Juan during the AA FA strike (late 90s?) with no HF.



I thought the same thing. We used to fly the DC9 from South Florida to San Juan and would be in both radar and VHF radio contact the whole way. I've never "coasted out" farther north, though, so am not sure how far north the VHF coverage extends.


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Bruce Gorrell [EQY]
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Re: Snake Bit AA767 [Re: sreyoB yrraL]
      #343159 - 05/21/12 09:22 PM

Departing IAD, they would go feet wet at DIW (Wilmington, NC area). From there AR6 is radar contact and VHF all the way down.

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sreyoB yrraL
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Re: Snake Bit AA767 [Re: Bruce Gorrell [EQY]]
      #343174 - 05/22/12 12:18 AM

Quote:

Departing IAD, they would go feet wet at DIW (Wilmington, NC area). From there AR6 is radar contact and VHF all the way down.



Well, there ya go!

Maybe they were concerned that they couldn't get their VOLMET broadcasts? :)


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Bruce Gorrell [EQY]
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Re: Snake Bit AA767 [Re: sreyoB yrraL]
      #343220 - 05/22/12 05:33 PM

I would suspect a misread (or badly written) MEL. Or a lack of knowledge of the WATRS+ area. That has become a local stomping ground for me.

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Randy Sohn
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Re: Snake Bit AA767 [Re: Bruce Gorrell [EQY]]
      #343224 - 05/22/12 06:58 PM

Quote:

I would suspect a misread (or badly written) MEL. Or a lack of knowledge of the WATRS+ area. That has become a local stomping ground for me.




Tend to concur but you might wanna 'splain a couple terms and the differences between them, "feet wet" [Niiiihhhhggggvvveee term] <g>), "coast out", and "off shore airways", etc.

best, randy


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Bruce Gorrell [EQY]
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Re: Snake Bit AA767 [Re: Randy Sohn]
      #343226 - 05/22/12 07:15 PM

Feet Wet and Coast out are the same; it's when you look down and there's nothing but water. Off Shore Airways (A designation in the WATRS (Western Atlantic Route System)) are airways that, when you're flying them, you look down and there's nothing but water.

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