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Tom Tyson [SUW]
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RV-12 Wings in a Week Class
      #300919 - 10/13/10 04:13 PM

Wish me luck ...

- TT

Quote:

Have you wanted to build an RV-12 but were not sure if you had the skills to get started correctly? We can help. Bring or have Van's ship your wing kit to our modern, fully equipped shop in Greensboro, NC and in just one week we'll teach you the skills you'll need to build your '-12. We'll do things at your pace, and when we're done, take your wings with you, or we'll arrange to crate and ship them to you. If a pardner wants to join in, that's fine too. Contact Tom Tyson (A&P) at Rhino Aircraft for more details and to schedule your class. (336) 668-1140



As Seen on Barnstormers.com

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Tom Tyson-A&P

Pilots without Mechanics are just Pedestrians with fancy watches.

Edited by Tom Tyson [GSO] (10/13/10 04:20 PM)


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Tom Tyson [SUW]
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Re: RV-12 Wings in a Week Class [Re: Tom Tyson [SUW]]
      #300923 - 10/13/10 04:26 PM

I'm also happy for fill the "no quick-build" void by building any of the RV-12 assembly kits for builders.

I anticipate building mostly wings and forward fuselage kits, where the owner/builder will build the empennage/tail cone and then install the finish kit, the avionics and the engine kit.

- TT

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Joe Budge (W29)
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Re: RV-12 Wings in a Week Class [Re: Tom Tyson [SUW]]
      #300925 - 10/13/10 05:20 PM

Hey, good luck!

But if you're going to do things at *my* pace it might take longer than a week <g>.

Regards,
Joe


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Tom Tyson [SUW]
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Re: RV-12 Wings in a Week Class [Re: Joe Budge (W29)]
      #300933 - 10/13/10 07:15 PM

Quote:

... do things at *my* pace it might take longer than a week ...



Naaaaaah, we're GOOD at this ! <G>

Hey, seriously, Come on Down. It's about time to get the Tar Hellions and Friends together again.

- TT

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Tom Tyson-A&P

Pilots without Mechanics are just Pedestrians with fancy watches.


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Re: RV-12 Wings in a Week Class [Re: Tom Tyson [SUW]]
      #300993 - 10/14/10 01:50 AM

Good Luck! I hope you have as many takers as you can handle!

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Joe Budge (W29)
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Re: RV-12 Wings in a Week Class [Re: Tom Tyson [SUW]]
      #300998 - 10/14/10 02:07 AM

<< Hey, seriously, Come on Down. It's about time to get the Tar Hellions and Friends together again. >>

Indeed!


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Re: RV-12 Wings in a Week Class [Re: Tom Tyson [SUW]]
      #301160 - 10/15/10 08:30 PM

<<Wish me luck ...>>

Tom--

Good luck, indeed!

I like the ad...

Ralph H

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Tom Tyson [SUW]
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Re: RV-12 Wings in a Week Class [Re: Ralph Hood]
      #301163 - 10/15/10 09:12 PM

Thanks - I really tried to make the ad say what it needed to without adding a bunch of frill.

Speaking of "Come on Down", when are YOU coming down to the shop? I'm buying lunch.

- TT

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Pilots without Mechanics are just Pedestrians with fancy watches.


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Tom Tyson [SUW]
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Re: RV-12 Class and Contract Construction [Re: Tom Tyson [SUW]]
      #303108 - 11/07/10 03:18 PM

As Seen on Barnstormers.com:
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RV-12 QUICK BUILD? NO PROBLEM • BUILDER ASSISTANCE • Are you ready to build an RV-12, but would prefer to have a “Quick-Build” option? Now, for E-LSA registered RV-12s, even though Van's doesn't offer a quick build kit you still have that option. The staff at Rhino Aircraft can assemble your wing or fuselage kit, or even your entire aircraft for you in just a fraction of the time it would take you working on it a few hours every night. We even have a limited number of wing and forward fuselage assemblies already built and ready to transfer to you for final assembly. Contact Tom Tyson (A&P) at Rhino Aircraft for details, schedules and prices. - RHINO AIRCRAFT LLC, GREENSBORO, NC USA • Telephone: (336) 668-1140


Well, Rhino Aircraft is officially a business (with customers) as opposed to just a very expensive hobby - I now have two RV-12s to build and the phone continues to ring off the hook with additional inquiries.

Aviation in the doldrums? You couldn't prove it by me, at least on the the LSA end of the spectrum.

- TT

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Pilots without Mechanics are just Pedestrians with fancy watches.


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Anne Umphrey (KBED)
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Re: RV-12 Class and Contract Construction [Re: Tom Tyson [SUW]]
      #303153 - 11/08/10 12:24 AM

I'm curious. Do you have to carry insurance against someone suing you if they have an accident, and one of your aircraft, parts or whole is in the aircraft that crashes? I hear such horror stories of folks suing the aircraft maker for something that clearly was pilot fault and not the aircraft itself.

Anne

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Re: RV-12 Class and Contract Construction [Re: Tom Tyson [SUW]]
      #303219 - 11/09/10 01:04 AM

Good to hear! An assembly line is nest...

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Jeff Hartmann CIC
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Re: RV-12 Class and Contract Construction [Re: Bruce Gorrell [EQY]]
      #303227 - 11/09/10 01:41 AM

Assembly line....

So that's why he wants us all to "visit" the shop....

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Tom Tyson [SUW]
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Re: RV-12 Insurance Question [Re: Anne Umphrey (KBED)]
      #311360 - 02/18/11 01:19 PM

QUESTION MOVED TO THE "AIRCRAFT" SECTION:
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... Do you have to carry insurance against someone suing you if they have an accident, and one of your aircraft, parts or whole is in the aircraft that crashes? ...


Anne, I'm sorry to be so long getting back to you - your question (and it's a good one) slipped past me.

I do not carry any product liability insurance (and in fact I've had trouble even getting "Trip and Fall" liability insurance). When I looked into it, the price was such that it would increase the price of the airplane to a point that I wouldn't be able to sell one.

What I have done is to try to make sure that the customer (only one at this point, a retired Superior Court Judge) understands that we are a company providing assembly services to the kit owner. If something happens there are no "deep pockets", I will not contest a suit, and the heirs (and their lawyers) will own some partially assembled airplane parts (at least until I sell airplane #2 which the company currently owns), some aircraft specific tools (fluting pliers, rivet squeezers, rivet guns and the like), a few old PCs and some miscellaneous office furniture. The large power tools and the shop itself belong to outside individuals and the general purpose tools belong to the employees.

This was the model that Questair and several other small aircraft companies work(ed) under and my understanding is that this is the way that Robinson Helicopter operates.

I wish that I had the ability to do otherwise, but that's the reality that we live in today.

- TT

Any comments from the lawyers here?

Edited by Tom Tyson [GSO] (02/18/11 01:47 PM)


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Russell Holton
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Re: RV-12 Insurance Question [Re: Tom Tyson [SUW]]
      #311481 - 02/19/11 06:00 PM

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If something happens there are no "deep pockets", I will not contest a suit, and the heirs (and their lawyers) will own some partially assembled airplane parts (at least until I sell airplane #2 which the company currently owns), some aircraft specific tools (fluting pliers, rivet squeezers, rivet guns and the like), a few old PCs and some miscellaneous office furniture. The large power tools and the shop itself belong to outside individuals and the general purpose tools belong to the employees.




I don't see any of your personal property listed, so I'm assuming that there's some kind of "wall" between what the company owns and what you own. I'd be concerned how well that wall would stand up in a court case. (Unless your personal assets aren't much better. ;)

I'm reminded of a classic Bloom County comic strip in which Steve Dallas says "Never, ever sue a poor person". It was added to my understanding of life. <g>


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