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Richard Duxbury (Dux)
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Re: Mx Outsourcing [Re: Scott Dyer [HPN/NY]]
      #276083 - 12/15/09 03:58 PM

I also recall an accident with a brand new A340 where the ground crew was doing full power engine checks and it ran up a blast fence, broke in half and injured some on board.

One of the engines ran for almost one hour as I remember.

Total loss of aircraft as far as I know.

As to outsource stuff, when I retired from NWA in 1996 we had almost 5,000 FAA certified mechanics working for Northwest. Today we have less than 1,000.

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Dux


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Jeff Hartmann CIC
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Re: Mx Outsourcing [Re: sreyoB yrraL]
      #276095 - 12/15/09 07:42 PM

>>>goes along with 710 and 732. <<<

Is that the number of brain cells lost per beer?

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Mase Taylor
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Re: Mx Outsourcing [Re: Mase Taylor]
      #276096 - 12/15/09 09:01 PM

I know those numbers but I can't remember why!

Of course, it has been um, over ten years....

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Ralph Jones
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Re: Mx Outsourcing [Re: sreyoB yrraL]
      #276097 - 12/15/09 09:11 PM

Quote:

Does the number 760 ring any bells?




Millimeters of mercury in one atmosphere?

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Mase Taylor
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Re: Mx Outsourcing [Re: Richard Duxbury (Dux)]
      #276099 - 12/15/09 09:23 PM Attachment (109 downloads)

Quote:

I also recall an accident with a brand new A340 where the ground crew was doing full power engine checks and it ran up a blast fence, broke in half and injured some on board.

One of the engines ran for almost one hour as I remember.

Total loss of aircraft as far as I know.




Maybe this one:







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Edited by Mase Taylor [L.A] (12/15/09 09:25 PM)


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sreyoB yrraL
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Re: Mx Outsourcing [Re: Mase Taylor]
      #276108 - 12/16/09 12:21 AM

Quote:

I know those numbers but I can't remember why!

Of course, it has been um, over ten years....




Only been 11 months for me so I still remember a few things.

710, 732, and 760 are the DC9 APU EGT limits. Continuous, Momentary, and Starting respectively.

Of course, then there was the one on the duty cycle limits on the DC Start Pump, which you mentioned earlier... "90 seconds on/90 seconds off" sometimes given in orals as "90 seconds or the West Coast, whichever comes first!".


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Mase Taylor
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Re: Mx Outsourcing [Re: sreyoB yrraL]
      #276125 - 12/16/09 10:30 AM

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710, 732, and 760 are the DC9 APU EGT limits. Continuous, Momentary, and Starting respectively.

Of course, then there was the one on the duty cycle limits on the DC Start Pump, which you mentioned earlier... "90 seconds on/90 seconds off" sometimes given in orals as "90 seconds or the West Coast, whichever comes first!".





Ah, yes.

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Kcid LlirreM
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Re: Mx Outsourcing [Re: Russell Holton]
      #276160 - 12/16/09 08:58 PM

I seem to recall something about the "wheels on Ground" software not allowing the brakes to operate. If at low weight tires might not hold it anyway?

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Russell Holton
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Re: Mx Outsourcing [Re: Kcid LlirreM]
      #276174 - 12/17/09 05:12 AM

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I seem to recall something about the "wheels on Ground" software not allowing the brakes to operate. If at low weight tires might not hold it anyway?




I'd think the brakes could hold it - if someone was able to cut the engines.

I think it's going to go one of two ways. Either this is a accident chain (multiple things went wrong), or they removed safeguards in the procedures and it bit them.


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