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Scott Dyer [HPN/NY]
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Tough Approach
      #268094 - 10/13/09 04:39 PM

This A319 just about bought the farm in Italy earlier this month. Plus or minus 50kts windshear, big hole in the radome, unable to climb despite radar power on the go-around. The crew hung in there.

http://avherald.com/h?article=420d4cbd&opt=0


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Ralph Hood
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Re: Tough Approach [Re: Scott Dyer [HPN/NY]]
      #268203 - 10/14/09 02:44 PM

Scitt--

What was the big black blob just below the windshield?

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Scott Dyer [HPN/NY]
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Re: Tough Approach [Re: Ralph Hood]
      #268206 - 10/14/09 03:06 PM

Ralph - That's the hole, I think, with the fiberglass of the radome pushed
up by the wind force.

Scitt <G>

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J. Wiley
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Re: Tough Approach [Re: Scott Dyer [HPN/NY]]
      #268291 - 10/15/09 10:11 AM

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This A319 just about bought the farm in Italy earlier this month. Plus or minus 50kts windshear, big hole in the radome, unable to climb despite radar power on the go-around. The crew hung in there.





So the question is why were they 'there' at all? There had to be SOME sort of cues of sig wx in the area.

In a briefing recently, the speaker said we need to practice saying this more often.

UNABLE!!

It will likely reduce the amount of paperwork needed AFTER an event.


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Kcid LlirreM
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Re: Tough Approach [Re: J. Wiley]
      #268297 - 10/15/09 11:01 AM

Quote:

Quote:

This A319 just about bought the farm in Italy earlier this month. Plus or minus 50kts windshear, big hole in the radome, unable to climb despite radar power on the go-around. The crew hung in there.





So the question is why were they 'there' at all? There had to be SOME sort of cues of sig wx in the area.

In a briefing recently, the speaker said we need to practice saying this more often.

UNABLE!!

It will likely reduce the amount of paperwork needed AFTER an event.




Would have thought "hail" might be a clue to bad weather.


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Scott Dyer [HPN/NY]
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Re: Tough Approach [Re: J. Wiley]
      #268304 - 10/15/09 11:28 AM

John -- That seems to be a common thread in many accidents.

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J. Wiley
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Re: Tough Approach [Re: Scott Dyer [HPN/NY]]
      #268364 - 10/15/09 07:22 PM

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John -- That seems to be a common thread in many accidents.




Told this before but we were going into DFW one evening and we had been rerouted over Waco coming from CLT because of the wx. We finally got near DFW and as we dropped out of the bottom of the clouds I saw what looked like BIG ground fire. I then realized what I was seeing was the transformers blowing up. There was a lot of lightning in the area and the two guys in front of us went around. It came our turn and I advised the F/O to tell APP that we were going to hold for about :15. The F/O later said he agreed but wanted to know my reasoning. I said there was NO upside to making the approach and that if we had to go-around the first question would be why? Especially since two in front of us had missed. I just wanted the deck reshuffled before I played. We made the approach later with no problem but the two aircraft behind us also went around. ??

Being somewhat of a crusty old **** (supply your own word) I have used "Unable" more in the last few years. It usually causes some surprise but it just ain't worth it. Especially considering how litigious we have gotten.


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Scott Dyer [HPN/NY]
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Re: Tough Approach [Re: J. Wiley]
      #268375 - 10/15/09 08:34 PM

John -- With me, it's less concern over litigation than it is losing any
pretense of invincibility.

Good call on the old.

What's surprising is that 2 after you gave it a shot anyway. I'd have
expected the herd mentality to put them in the hold, too.

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Allen Benzing
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Re: Tough Approach [Re: J. Wiley]
      #270979 - 10/31/09 11:25 PM

John - Agree... Just off of trip that included a divert due to W/S at destination. Some A/C got in, some went around, nasty stuff and as you said 'No Upside' to sticking your neck out.

Al


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