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Terry Carraway
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Re: Pilots Sleeping on the Job [Re: Dan Barclay [ORG]]
      #268774 - 10/19/09 12:07 AM

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If not talking about it, they definitely need to work out some hand signals
as to whose turn it is! <g>




Guy I know used to be an airline pilot, when he was FO on DC-9, he ended up flying with the same Capt several months in a row. The Capt would take a nap at certain times. Nothing said, it was understood.

Late the first month they didn't fly together, they saw each other and the Capt related that he missed my friend. Seems the Capt had nodded off on flight, and when he woke up, he looked over at the FO who was fast asleep.

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nehoC hctiM
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Re: Pilots Sleeping on the Job [Re: Terry Carraway]
      #268798 - 10/19/09 08:59 AM

Reminds me of a crew brief I once heard:

Don't let me wake up and find you sleeping.

Last night on my flight, looked over at the cabin altitude while yawning a bit, well both of us were yawning and it read 7300'.

Funny, when the cabin is that high, and I head to the bathroom, I notice, most of the passengers are sleeping.

I am hoping the rules do change.
Sometimes a ten or fifteen minute power nap can make you much more alert at crucial moments of the flight such as approach and landings.

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Richard Palm (PAO)
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Re: Pilots Sleeping on the Job [Re: nehoC hctiM]
      #268845 - 10/19/09 03:07 PM

I've read or heard that twenty-minute naps are the optimum length for feeling refreshed and not making oneself feel groggy. I'm not sure if that translates into the airline environment though.

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nehoC hctiM
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Re: Pilots Sleeping on the Job [Re: Richard Palm (PAO)]
      #268852 - 10/19/09 03:54 PM

Richard,

From what I have seen in 10 years, your mileage may vary.

Everyone is different.

Still, 15-20 min seems to refresh most people.

Jumpseating cross the USA on every major carrier, and even some freight carriers, one thing I see is that naps happen.

There are more crucial periods in 121 flying. I have never seen a pilot take a short snooze during these crucial periods.

Knowing what I know, I'd prefer a pilot be 100% during takeoff and approach, landing phases of flight.

The NTSB and many other that have conducted research on this topic, seem to know more than the FAA. Oh reminds me, some FAA dudes nap out while doing line checks. How could THAT be safe?

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Sean Franklin
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Re: Pilots Sleeping on the Job [Re: Dan Barclay [ORG]]
      #268949 - 10/20/09 01:04 PM

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I recommend stopping off in the aviation section of your local truck stop for
a sleep alarm.



A little self-serving, but wanted to point out that your friendly pilot-owned motorcycle accessory website has them too:

http://www.cyclegadgets.com/MEANIE

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Dan Barclay [ORG]
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Re: Pilots Sleeping on the Job [Re: Sean Franklin]
      #268958 - 10/20/09 01:41 PM

>> A little self-serving, but wanted to point out that your friendly
>> pilot-owned motorcycle accessory website has them too:
>>
>> http://www.cyclegadgets.com/MEANIE

Cool. I didn't even think of them as motorcycle accessories but it does make
sense.

Glad you have an aviation section!

Dan


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Terry Carraway
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Re: Pilots Sleeping on the Job [Re: nehoC hctiM]
      #269060 - 10/21/09 07:22 AM

7300 feet?

Wow, if that is the case, there are a lot of places where the people must be asleep all the time. :)

Bogota, La Paz, Addis Ababa, etc. :)

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nehoC hctiM
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Re: Pilots Sleeping on the Job [Re: Terry Carraway]
      #269068 - 10/21/09 08:54 AM

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7300 feet?

Wow, if that is the case, there are a lot of places where the people must be asleep all the time. :)

Bogota, La Paz, Addis Ababa, etc. :)




There are still people that get hypoxic at that altitude, such as smokers.

Not everyone is athletic, or climb mountains.

Add alcohol into the mix, for passengers. At that altitude, they usually hit you two for one. Multipy by a few and now all of a sudden its like drinking 6 drinks.

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Tom Tyson [SUW]
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Re: Pilots Sleeping on the Job [Re: nehoC hctiM]
      #269073 - 10/21/09 09:19 AM

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... At that altitude, they usually hit you two for one. Multiply by a few and now all of a sudden its like drinking 6 drinks ...



One of the great sports (since outgrown) living in Colorado Springs was to take a guest from the flatlands up to a restaurant located at about 8,000 feet and renowned for both the vistas it presented and the margaritas it served. The food was more than passable as well.

We always made sure we were driving ("We'll drive this evening, you'd never find the way") and were always insufferably cheerful the next day.

It's amazing anyone would ever visit twice ...

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Anne Umphrey (KBED)
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Re: Pilots Sleeping on the Job [Re: Tom Tyson [SUW]]
      #269084 - 10/21/09 10:57 AM

Now, that's cruel!!

(I've never done that, no sir, no way!)
Anne

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- Amelia Earhart, 1897 - 1937


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