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Ralph Jones
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Re: The Fairchild T-46A - What Happened? [Re: Chris Fostel]
      #394822 - 08/05/14 04:55 PM

Chris--

What Tom said...you clearly have a lot to offer this forum. I'm an engineering prof and open all my courses with a presentation on "Ethics and Competence in Engineering" -- I think your T-46 narrative will fit nicely into it.

Be advised: John Wiley, whom you were replying to, passed away about three years ago. Quite a loss to us.

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Randy Sohn
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Re: The Fairchild T-46A - What Happened? [Re: Ray Tackett]
      #394827 - 08/05/14 06:43 PM

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That mixture deal sounds really dangerous, though.




Mmmmmhm? All our DC-3s and every Wright 1820 powered Diesel 3 were also that way. And also the B-29.

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Randy Sohn
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Re: The Fairchild T-46A - What Happened? [Re: Ralph Jones]
      #394828 - 08/05/14 06:44 PM

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Wiley, whom you were replying to, passed away about three years ago. Quite a loss




Concur!

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Randy Sohn
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Re: The Fairchild T-46A - What Happened? [Re: Ralph Jones]
      #394830 - 08/05/14 06:51 PM

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B-29.....pull the throttles for power.




Unh, unh - "sorry Charlie, no cigar". Not so. BUT, all the switches are backwards, 4-3-2-1.

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Randy Sohn
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Re: The Fairchild T-46A - What Happened? [Re: Tom Charlton]
      #394831 - 08/05/14 06:53 PM

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I know that over the years we’ve all learned a lot from each other




Concur!

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Ralph Jones
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Re: The Fairchild T-46A - What Happened? [Re: Randy Sohn]
      #394832 - 08/05/14 07:23 PM

OK, must have misunderstood what I read on that. So the pilot's throttles and FE's throttles move in opposite directions relative to the airplane?

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Randy Sohn
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Re: The Fairchild T-46A - What Happened? [Re: Ralph Jones]
      #394839 - 08/05/14 09:03 PM

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So the pilot's throttles and FE's throttles move in opposite directions relative




Unh, yeah, push forward to increase the MP, conventional. Strange tho is that the throttles for the pilot and the co-pilot are on their outboards (under the side windows). Vic told me that by the time they'd built just a couple of airplanes they already knew that they'd screwed up by having the F/E facing backward - but by then it was it was already too late to change. The F/E's controls are backward from what we're used to, they wanted them to be sorta coupled/connected/indicative to the engines seen out the window (4-3-2-1). That's why I've never favored checking out pilots as the F/Es, better in my mind to have engineers who don't have a preconceived thought of 1-2-3-4. Also the mixture full rich by pulling it all the way towards you, I did get a F/E's series of prop switches for the prop controls, the production airplanes did not have that, the prop step head switches only on the pilots's console panel. Vic gave me low lights (about 1100 RPM) on short final once when I'd called for high lights and I barely kept the airplane from scuttling off to the side of the runway at HRL with Axel Wars flying it. Good ole days! <g>

Also, that reminded me of those T-6s from the movie Tora-Tora that Jerry Weeks had donated to us in the CAF and that ultimately formed the CAF Tora-Tora deal. French types (NOW I know) with the throttle quadrant stuff reversed. I tried and tried to keep one running when I put the mixture in RICH at West Memphis and couldn't, quit every time, I went inside the FBO and called Rolling Fork and got either "Buck" Rodgers or Dudley Johnston at South Delta Dusters and told him it wouldn't keep running. He listened and then told me to "just put the d--- mixture in the middle position, they run too d--- rich anyhow and get those d---ed things out'a there quick before he changes his mind".

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Geoff Sjostrom - Chicago
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Re: The Fairchild T-46A - What Happened? [Re: Chris Fostel]
      #394921 - 08/08/14 12:29 PM

A fascinating (if sad) story.

There are pictures of the prototypes in flight. Do you know if the aircraft met its specifications?


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Terry Carraway
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Re: The Fairchild T-46A - What Happened? [Re: Geoff Sjostrom - Chicago]
      #394967 - 08/09/14 06:54 AM

Did they ever fly the full sized aircraft? I remember seeing the part sizes version built by Scaled Composites (Burt Rutan).

One of the airframes is at the USAF Museum, but you have to take the Restoration Tour to see it.

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