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J. Wiley
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Re: The Fairchild T-46A - What Happened? [Re: Mase Taylor]
      #257408 - 07/27/09 09:08 PM

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http://www.daveswarbirds.com/usplanes/aircraft/dominatr.htm




This is the one with the single tail. That was the third, if I have it correct, bird. The first two came with twin tails like the -24.

I went and got my notes from the Air and Space library along with the B-32 flight manual. (Yes I know.. who else would pay for that stuff.. sick and can't help it.. a syndrome no doubt)

I had forgotten the trim for the elevator and ailerons worked in the opposite direction of other airplanes. On the mixture, full forward was CUT-OFF and full aft was AUTO-RICH. The flaps switch was three position (up, off and down) and there were two switches, one for inboard and one for outboard flaps. The switch moved left right instead of up-down. ?? also, to raise the gear, you pushed a button which released a lock which allowed you to raise the gear with another handle and then another switch closed the gear doors. ?? 3 steps for raising/lowering the gear. Huh???


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Ralph Jones
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Re: The Fairchild T-46A - What Happened? [Re: J. Wiley]
      #257411 - 07/27/09 09:14 PM

Kinky...;-)

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Jack E. Hammond
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Re: The Fairchild T-46A - What Happened? [Re: J. Wiley]
      #257418 - 07/27/09 09:39 PM

Dear John,

My father-in-law was with a b-32 unit as a belly gunner that was preparing to fly to the Pacific when the A-bombs were dropped.

Jack E. Hammond

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Jack E. Hammond
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Re: The Fairchild T-46A - What Happened? [Re: J. Wiley]
      #257419 - 07/27/09 09:43 PM

Dear John,

It would have seem the problem with the ejection seats could have been handle fairly easy -- ie new ejection seats. But the problem of the pressurization to operate at 47,000 feet and a higher transit speed is a different issue.

Finally, why did Fairchild design a totally new plane and just not contact Saab and co develop a version of the SAAB-105, which is the T-46A looks and awful lot alike. <GRIN> The SAAB-105 is one of the better jet trainers, only came to late and from the wrong country.

Jack E. Hammond

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Edited by Jack E. Hammond (07/27/09 09:44 PM)


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Ray Tackett
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Re: The Fairchild T-46A - What Happened? [Re: J. Wiley]
      #257438 - 07/28/09 05:34 AM

Re the gear, you've probably flown a DC-3/C-47/R4D, and that's with no gear
doors at all.

That mixture deal sounds really dangerous, though.

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J. Wiley
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Re: The Fairchild T-46A - What Happened? [Re: Jack E. Hammond]
      #257457 - 07/28/09 09:20 AM

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Dear John,

It would have seem the problem with the ejection seats could have been handle fairly easy -- ie new ejection seats. But the problem of the pressurization to operate at 47,000 feet and a higher transit speed is a different issue.




I don't think the T-46 would have gone to 47k. The highest I ever got the -38 was in the low/mid 50s and that was a zoom climb that left me with a glider until I got back into the mid 20s.

And retrofitting a seat would not be easy or without considerable costs. The -37s ejection seat was a 37mm shell which kicked your *ss.

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Finally, why did Fairchild design a totally new plane and just not contact Saab and co develop a version of the SAAB-105, which is the T-46A looks and awful lot alike. <GRIN> The SAAB-105 is one of the better jet trainers, only came to late and from the wrong country.

Jack E. Hammond

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I got to fly the -105 in Sweden with one of the Saab pilots. (wish it had been the one made in Farmingdale but this one was made in Linkoping). Anyway, it was a very docile and sweet handling little bird. We went on a low level cross country with us going in the back door and out the front door of some of the red topped Swedish homes in the country. We were down in the dirt. The Swedes pride themselves on their low level flying and from my short flight, I can see why.

We did a number of patterns before calling it a day and it was an enjoyable flight. I still have the gold squadron scarf they gave me as a token of the flight. Thanks for reminding me of that time, Jack. Thanks...


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J. Wiley
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Re: The Fairchild T-46A - What Happened? [Re: Ray Tackett]
      #257459 - 07/28/09 09:28 AM

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Re the gear, you've probably flown a DC-3/C-47/R4D, and that's with no gear doors at all.

That mixture deal sounds really dangerous, though.




You just have to wonder what they were thinking. It was not like they were newbies to building airplanes but there were SO many things wrong.

And no doubt, you know that prior to tactile coding and some standardization of what was where, pilots transitioning from one airplane to another would often revert to old habits... another airplane lost.

For example, let's take this page at my old UPT base, Webb at Big Spring. Just check out the wad of metal (and wood) they were making.

http://www.accident-report.com/world/namerica/slist/bigspring.html


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Ralph Jones
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Re: The Fairchild T-46A - What Happened? [Re: J. Wiley]
      #257463 - 07/28/09 09:41 AM

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prior to tactile coding and some standardization of what was where




I understand the B-29 FE position could get interesting in that regard -- aft facing, pull the throttles for power.

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Chris Fostel
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Re: The Fairchild T-46A - What Happened? [Re: J. Wiley]
      #394818 - 08/05/14 03:52 PM

It was interesting to see all the 'flaws' that people think caused the end of the T-46 program. That wasn't what it was all about.

I was a project manager at Fairchild during those days. A requirement of the T-46 contract was to install and use an earned value tracking system for the first time in Fairchild's history, The first report from the new system declared that the T-46 program had a schedule variance equal to about one month's effort and a cost variance to match.

The Bethpage plant general manager declared that the data was faulty and ordered the project control folks to edit the reports to show no variance. Rather than risk their careers on the data from a new system, the reports were edited.

This continued for the next three years. The EVMS showed the project slipping further and further behind. The plant manager kept insisting that the reports be edited.

The day of the roll out came. The project was 10 months behind schedule, the plant manager allowed the roll out to go ahead as scheduled.

The Air Force was either tipped off, or smelled a rat from the reports that showed no variances. They came to the roll out with screwdrivers and wrenches. They removed maintenance access panels and discovered wooden mockups of avionics boxes and fly-by-wire controllers that were critical to the operation of the T-46.

The commanding general met with the plant manager and told him that there were two options. The plant manager could personally take the plane up and demonstrate its flight worthiness, or Fairchild Republic could make it flight worthy. But, since the official reports said the plane was complete at roll out, there would be no progress payments until the T-46 flew. If the T-46 did not fly, the plant manager and project control group would all go to jail and the company would be disbarred from future government contracts.

Three T-46 test aircraft were eventually produced, but the expense of funding 10 months of effort with no income drained Fairchild. The company defaulted on commercial loans and on a contract with Saab. Saab and the banks forced Fairchild Republic to liquidate its assets to pay damages to Saab and satisfy the bond holders.

No more Fairchild Republic; no more T-46. You can quote me on that.


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Tom Charlton
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Re: The Fairchild T-46A - What Happened? [Re: Chris Fostel]
      #394821 - 08/05/14 04:15 PM

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Chris Fostel wrote:
I was a project manager at Fairchild during those days.


Hi Chris,
Welcome to Avsig. I see you’re registered as (Public Guest) Join up, be a regular, and share what you know with us. Lot’a fine people hang out here on the longest, continuously running internet forum. I know that over the years we’ve all learned a lot from each other.

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Tom Charlton

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