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Scott Dyer [HPN/NY]
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New Angel Flight NE Rule
      #251259 - 06/15/09 10:19 AM

New AFNE rules came out today, effective in July, upping pilot time
requirements and making some other qualification standards (see below). I'm
surprised to see a requirement that the aircraft engine not exceed the
manufacturer's TBO hours: does anyone know if any recent light GA accidents
have called post-TBO service into question? Seems odd that an aircraf that
has flown only 20 hours a year for the last 20 years without an overhaul will
be ok under this rule, while one that flies 200 hours a year will time out on
Angel Flight service despite good compressions, oil analysis and service
history. My tip of the hat would go to flying the latter engine.


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Requirements to fly as a Pilot in Command for Angel Flight Northeast.



1) For the operation of any single engine piston aircraft, the pilot
shall have a minimum total time of 500 hours, with not less than 400 hours as
pilot in command (PIC), 50 hours of such PIC time having been in the same
make and model aircraft.



2) For the operation of any multi engine or turbine powered aircraft
the pilot shall have a minimum total time as pilot in command (PIC) of 1,000
hours, with a minimum of 250 hours in type for a twin engine aircraft and 100
hours in type for a single engine turbine aircraft but not less than 50 hours
in make and model, unless dispensation shall have been previously granted to
said pilot by the Safety Committee, but in no event shall such dispensation
be for less than the qualifications as set forth in paragraph #1 above.



3) Each and every pilot shall have a currently valid medical
certificate, a current BFR, and an instrument rating applicable to the
aircraft to be flown by said pilot, and shall be current with applicable
flight times and rules as set forth in the FARs.



4) A minimum of 50 hours as PIC shall have been flown and logged
within the 12 months immediately preceding the mission/flight.



5) A minimum of 12 hours flown and logged during the previous 90 days.
This requirement can be waived if the pilot completes 2 hours of dual
training with a certified flight instructor prior to flying a mission. ( the
12 hours is included in the total of 50, not as additional)



6) No pilot of 75 years of age or greater shall be permitted to fly a
mission for AFNE, unless accompanied by a licensed and qualified co-pilot,
who is under the age of 75, holds a CFI or CFII rating, or is an active AFNE
pilot, and who meets all of the aforesaid pilot qualifications for the
operation of the type aircraft in use.



7) No mission shall be flown in any aircraft unless that aircraft is
properly registered, licensed, airworthy, and unless the total engine time is
less than the manufacture's recommended number of hours before overhaul (TBO).



8) No such aircraft shall have less than 4 seats and shall not be
experimental, homebuilt or helicopter.



9) A minimum of one million dollars ($1,000,000) liability insurance
with not les than $100,000 per seat shall be in force on any aircraft to be
used for any mission. Although not mandatory, all pilots are encouraged to
request that their insurers name AFNE as an additional named insured.

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Ralph Jones
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Reged: 08/31/01
Posts: 21214
Loc: 4CO2
Re: New Angel Flight NE Rule [Re: Scott Dyer [HPN/NY]]
      #251262 - 06/15/09 11:43 AM

The manufacturer's TBO hours would be a very easy number to wave at a jury, n'est-ce pas?

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Ralph Jones
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Scott Dyer [HPN/NY]
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Re: New Angel Flight NE Rule [Re: Ralph Jones]
      #251264 - 06/15/09 11:58 AM

Ralph -- True, if noncompliance with the TBO is admitted over a motion in
limine, and so is a manufacturer's calendar time requirement which
isn't the subject of these new rules.

Even the fact that I fly a 31 year old airplane is subject to being waived in
front of the jury, albeit not particularly germane to the question of
liability. I mean, those Cirri are new but just falling from the sky. <G>

(That ought to rile up Adm. Andy....)

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Sean Franklin
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Reged: 08/15/04
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Loc: Eureka Springs, Arkansas
Re: New Angel Flight NE Rule [Re: Scott Dyer [HPN/NY]]
      #251272 - 06/15/09 01:14 PM

Is instrument rating requirement new? As I recall it's not required for Grace Flight South Central, but it is encouraged.

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Ralph Jones
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Re: New Angel Flight NE Rule [Re: Scott Dyer [HPN/NY]]
      #251273 - 06/15/09 01:15 PM

Quote:

I mean, those Cirri are new but just falling from the sky.




At 1500 feet per minute...;-)

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Ralph Jones
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Scott Dyer [HPN/NY]
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Re: New Angel Flight NE Rule [Re: Sean Franklin]
      #251275 - 06/15/09 02:08 PM

Sean -- I believe that it has been required for us, but don't know for
certain. I can't imagine doing these flights in the NE without an instrument
rating, and hoping to be on any sort of schedule.

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Robert Mann [HPN-NY]
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Reged: 05/15/04
Posts: 11777
Loc: NY
Re: New Angel Flight NE Rule [Re: Scott Dyer [HPN/NY]]
      #251277 - 06/15/09 02:49 PM

Scott,

<<I'm surprised to see a requirement that the aircraft engine not exceed the manufacturer's TBO hours>>

Perception vs Reality

I guess they don't want guys like my first CFI doing AFs. His plane's engine blew when he was on short final to Mattituck to get an OH, about 1,000 hrs over TBO. He was very proud that he got every last drop out of that engine.

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Bob


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Scott Dyer [HPN/NY]
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Re: New Angel Flight NE Rule [Re: Robert Mann [HPN-NY]]
      #251280 - 06/15/09 03:03 PM

Bob - I'm more concerned about the first 100 hours of any engine, than a few
hundred over TBO on an otherwise solid and airworthy engine. Lots that might
go wrong in that first 100 hours!

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Jerry Kurata [KLVK]
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Reged: 05/02/04
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Loc: Northern California
Re: New Angel Flight NE Rule [Re: Scott Dyer [HPN/NY]]
      #251283 - 06/15/09 04:10 PM

The PIC in type time for ME makes sense, but will probably knock a few guys out.

Edited by Jerry Kurata [KLVK] (06/15/09 04:11 PM)


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Scott Dyer [HPN/NY]
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Re: New Angel Flight NE Rule [Re: Jerry Kurata [KLVK]]
      #251284 - 06/15/09 04:35 PM

Jerry -- Agreed. Lots of it makes sense.

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