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Tom Gresham (HDC)
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Thinking about a P-Baron
      #248238 - 05/21/09 07:13 AM

The nature of the flights I take has changed a bit, and I have found myself thinking it's time to go back to a twin. Along with that, pressurization and air conditioning have bubbled to the top of my want list.

So, I'm looking.

The problems or issues with the 400 series Cessnas worry me. The Duke scares me with the tales of expenses.

I'd prefer cabin class, but about 70% of my flights are just me and lots of stuff.

All that leads me to the 58P, the pressurized Baron.

Any thoughts on this model, suggestions or warnings, would be appreciated. The best deal would be a trade, and there are a couple of planes out there advertised as such.

Thanks.


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Scott Perdue (50F)
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Re: Thinking about a P-Baron [Re: Tom Gresham (HDC)]
      #248637 - 05/24/09 07:50 AM

Tom-

Dave Siciliano has a P-Baron and loves it... do you have his email? He hangars at Addison.

gunny

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Dan Barclay [ORG]
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Re: Thinking about a P-Baron [Re: Scott Perdue (50F)]
      #248742 - 05/25/09 12:35 AM

Quote:

Tom-

Dave Siciliano has a P-Baron and loves it... do you have his email? He hangars at Addison.




Dave has relatives near here so came by one day a while back and gave me a ride. Nice airplane. It's not exactly for short field work<g> but would be great for the long range flying Tom is constantly doing.

He'll be borrowing an A36 for the photo shoots though<g>.

Dan


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Tom Gresham (HDC)
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Re: Thinking about a P-Baron [Re: Dan Barclay [ORG]]
      #248753 - 05/25/09 08:38 AM

Probably no photo shoots in the future.

If there are, I'm going to get the network to buy the plane and not provide it for them as I did last time. <g>

Gunny, Dave gave me a ride in his. Short ride, and we didn't get above about 3,000 feet. Still, very nice plane.

Of course, the value of my Bonanza has gone down a ton in the last two years. Then again, so has the value of Barons.

I have one offer to take my plane in trade on a nice P-Baron if I toss in $60K. I'm reluctant to do that, but that may be where the market is. I'm just having trouble getting my head around that.

Oh well. Off to Minnesota this morning in the Bonanza!


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Dave Siciliano (ADS)
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Re: Thinking about a P-Baron [Re: Tom Gresham (HDC)]
      #248757 - 05/25/09 08:50 AM

Let me know if there's anything I can do Tom. You're sure welcome to stop by again and get more time in my plane if that would help you.

When I looked, many had different times on the engines, hadn't been run they way we run ours (we're 200 hours over TBO now), had major damage in the past or had avionics that would have to be updated. Look for reasonably low AF times as there is a 10,000 hour limitation; as they cross 5,000 it really affects value. Don't know what to say on cylinders with the Milliniums in flux or gone, but you can pretty well plan on topping a plane at 1,000 hours or less.

I know you're close to the TAT folks; that's a big help. Getting a plane that was well maintained, run properly, and had good avionics has made a real difference to us.

Let me know if I can help.

Best,

Dave


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Kcid LlirreM
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Re: Thinking about a P-Baron [Re: Tom Gresham (HDC)]
      #248762 - 05/25/09 09:26 AM

Quote:



Oh well. Off to Minnesota this morning in the Bonanza!




Will you be seeing Randy? We need an eye witness report from up there.

Dick


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Andrew Niemyer -KDLH
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Re: Thinking about a P-Baron [Re: Tom Gresham (HDC)]
      #249036 - 05/26/09 08:56 PM

Tom:
You coming to Duluth? Dinner's on me!

Best,
Andy


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Gil Buettner [KAUW]
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Re: Thinking about a P-Baron [Re: Andrew Niemyer -KDLH]
      #249043 - 05/26/09 09:31 PM

Be sure to take him to the Kitch. Sit outside tomorrow night and watch the sailboat races. Damn! I miss Duluth.

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treploW nellA
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Re: Thinking about a P-Baron [Re: Tom Gresham (HDC)]
      #249058 - 05/26/09 11:34 PM

You really should take a careful look at a Cessna 414 or 421. The possibility of Cessna SIDs has become a non-issue for PT91. The P-Baron is nice but the C421 is the next best travailing machine to a turboprop.

Come over to the Cessna Pilots Association forum and talk with people who own then to get the straight scoop.

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Allen


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Jerry Kurata [KLVK]
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Re: Thinking about a P-Baron [Re: Tom Gresham (HDC)]
      #249225 - 05/28/09 10:40 AM

When I was looking at pressurized twins I tried a P baron. They handle very nicely, but was a bit small. And people in the back have a hard time moving forward and visa verse. We also looked at a 400 series but the 414 was too slow and the 421 engines scared me. So we ended up with the 340A. It turned out to be a good choice. It was big enough to carry the family of 4, but still economical (Can you say that about any twin) to justify flights with one or two.

Now matter what you do one thing I can tell you is once you go pressurized it is hard to back.

Also, you might look into the training requirements for insurance. These days most pressurized and almost all cabin class planes require annual sim training.




Edited by Jerry Kurata [KLVK] (05/28/09 10:44 AM)


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