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Roger Ferrer
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Reged: 04/29/09
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Loc: Maryland, Harford
Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems [Re: Dave Millikan]
      #250203 - 06/05/09 02:24 AM

Hey Dave,

If I can land 2 or 3 a/c out of your list when I get your age about 15 from now I'll be as happy as I can be.
Thanks for the tip about lowering the alieron. I've been trying that but I am not doing it right yet.


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Robert Mann [HPN-NY]
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Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems [Re: Roger Ferrer]
      #250209 - 06/05/09 04:38 AM

Roger,

<< I've been trying that but I am not doing it right yet. >>

It's like learning to ride a bike. It's hard, it's hard it's hard, and then it's easy.

Hang in there, you'll get it.

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Best,

Bob


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Ray Tackett
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Reged: 04/30/04
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Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems [Re: Roger Ferrer]
      #250220 - 06/05/09 09:42 AM

Roger,

Flying down the runway in the flare gives you more time to look at the sight
picture and more time for precise, cross-controlled flight.

A normal crosswind landing can be just a "dump it on the ground" event which
is over very quickly. It is possible to get away with poor technique and
perhaps not even realize it.

If you fly at 40-50 knots (the usual 172 touchdown speed) down, say, a 6000
foot runway, you must hold the airplane on the center line pointed straight
ahead with crossed controls for about a minute.

In short, you get far more landing practice for each lap around the pattern.
Post-touchdown in a tricycle gear (nosewheel) airplane is generally a
non-event. Good landings start with a good approach and finish with fine
control in the flare. Better to practice fine control in the flare for a
minute or so each time around than for the usual second or two.

Bottom line: It's educational "bang for the buck" where the bucks flow
quickly.

Ray

P.S. I'm big on showing beginners the sight picture of a maneuver done
right. Then the student's objective is to "replay the video", i.e. make it
look the same themselves. The sight picture close to the runway is important
to learn.

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Ray,

Owner, Lake Wood Be Gone

Turning quality lumber into sawdust and noise since 2013.


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John O'Shaughnessy [FCM]
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Reged: 09/13/01
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Loc: Minnesota
Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems [Re: Roger Ferrer]
      #253009 - 06/29/09 09:26 PM

Howdy Roger,

How is the training going?

Are the landings working out better for you?

John


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Mike Campos [CA]
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Loc: Mission Viejo, CA
Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems [Re: John O'Shaughnessy [FCM]]
      #254450 - 07/09/09 10:18 PM

Hi John,

He sent me an e-mail this morning letting me know he soloed last Saturday and went up alone again on Sunday. He's preparing for his first cross country with his instructor.

He had disappeared, I thought he had given up, but he had been busy with work and a trip to FL.


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Roger Ferrer
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Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems [Re: Mike Campos [CA]]
      #254461 - 07/09/09 10:54 PM

Hi guys,

Sorry for disappearing like that... I had so many things going on…My brother who lived in Florida before (40 years old) moved with me temporarily while he is on training with me for a career change. I am trying to make a Network Admin like Mike Campos and I out of him. He was struggling with the job market in Florida and I though that the situation here in the Baltimore-DC corridor was a little better. Well, it is but it’s not that good as I though it was…. Anyway, after many job interviews on the computer field he finally got a job with Bank of America as a teller-seller representative starting next Monday (nothing to do with the computer field). The job doesn’t pay that well but hey!, it’s a job and in this economy is a God’s blessing having a job.

Ok, back to business now…lol. Like Mike said I soloed last Saturday and I didn’t want express it externally but I was really nervous inside after the instructor got off the airplane. The first lap went ok but the second one was a disaster…..I forgot to push in the carb heater after landing as well as raising the flaps up and putting 10 degrees back. I took-off on the soft field where I was supposed to have 10 degrees flaps with 40 degrees flaps. Fortunately, I remembered to keep the nose down and to take the flaps off 10 degrees at a time ( I realized of my mistake when I was airborne 400-500 ft above the ground). Third and fourth laps were kind of ok but the landings were not quite right. I am landing in the center of the runway by making smooth adjustments with rudder and aileron the way you guys recommended, my flare is very good but I land with too much airspeed and I take to much of the runway.

Yesterday, I went for another round again and the instructor said: “well Roch, get on the airplane and let’s do 2 laps together, if you don’t kill me or hurt yourself I’ll let you do the thing on your own” and he did. I did 5 TOLs and except the problem taking too much of the runway 3 times out of 5 everything was really nice. The only thing is that we didn’t have a lot of wind these past days so I know I have a lot of ground to cover still.

Now I am struggling making a flight plan for a cross-country with my instructor. We are flying 0W3-KLNS-RDG next Saturday (Harford, MD – Lancaster, PA – Reading, PA).

Edited by Roger Ferrer (07/09/09 10:59 PM)


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Anne Umphrey (KBED)
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Reged: 04/28/04
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Loc: KBED
Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems [Re: Roger Ferrer]
      #254499 - 07/10/09 01:40 AM

Congratulations on the solo! Your instructor wouldn't have signed you off if he/she didnt' think you could handle it.

Now you can move on forward with those cross-countries, a whole new set of interesting circumstances.
Anne

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You haven't seen a tree until you've seen its shadow from the sky.
- Amelia Earhart, 1897 - 1937


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sreyoB yrraL
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Reged: 05/16/04
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Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems [Re: Roger Ferrer]
      #254515 - 07/10/09 04:00 AM

Congratulations, Roger!

So, how many landings did you have logged at the point that your instructor cut you lose? (Want to see how close my rule-of-thumb was)


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John O'Shaughnessy [FCM]
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Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems [Re: Roger Ferrer]
      #254569 - 07/10/09 06:58 PM

Congratulations, Roger.

For your training and solo, did you do full stop landings with a taxi back to take off, or did you primarily do touch and goes?

What were the winds (cross winds) like during your solo?

John


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Jim Gifford
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Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems [Re: Roger Ferrer]
      #254747 - 07/11/09 02:16 PM

Well done, Roger! Congratulations on flying an airplane around the circuit and back to the runway, by yourself, safely, multiple times. Solo flight is a big accomplishment. You have learned a lot.

Now keep learning...

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Be well,
-Jim


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