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Mike Campos [CA]
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Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems [Re: Tina Gonsalves (7B6)]
      #248740 - 05/24/09 11:53 PM

Hi Tina,

I am glad I helped steer you into aviation, you've done nicely.

Quote:

Even IF he moved across the country.....




Yeah, yeah, something about a cross country trip as soon as I gain more experience .... you've got the commercial ticket, what are you waiting for, the space shuttle rating? <g>.

Roger is a good guy, we worked together in NJ, he's the best computer tech I have worked with and a very honest guy. I took him on a flight from Miami to Key west a few years back, tough crappy landing with a 90 degree stiff crosswind, barely made it down and Roger said "good landing" ignorance is bliss!

I am glad he took the plunge and is going full steam ahead.


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Tina Gonsalves (7B6)
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Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems [Re: Ray Tackett]
      #248749 - 05/25/09 06:46 AM

Thanks Ray, I did see Camp David and would most certainly take that into account.

I know pilots who just hop into their airplanes and follow the little pink lines to their destinations. I guess that's how the "unlucky" ones get escorted down and injected into the news. (Tongue planted firmly in cheek.)

<ow>


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Ray Tackett
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Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems [Re: B. Butler (Oregonian)]
      #249002 - 05/26/09 05:31 PM

Real pilots don't yaw strings to judge an approach. A properly calibrated bug splat is all you need <g>.

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Mike Stramba CNC3
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Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems [Re: Bill Bridges - 9S1]
      #249336 - 05/29/09 11:43 AM

Quote:

One advantage I had was I was flying everyday.




That's a very important point IMO.

Roger, how often are you flying?

If less than twice a week, you might want to augment your training with a flight simulator.

http://www.flightgear.org/ is free, and very good, has a 172 that flies fairly realistically (for a sim) ;)

I also started flight training in "middle age" (44).

It took me "awhile" to learn to land. The first few attempts were ugly, and sometimes scary.

How much ground training re: landings did you get before flying?

In my case, I received almost none, other than "read the flight training manual", and that undoubtedly didn't help my initial progress ... or lack thereof.

After about my 4th or 5th lesson, I was referred to the chief instructor, and in one 15 minute ground session, and two flights around the pattern made all the difference in the world !

For the ground instruction, he showed me a neat trick :

Stand up beside a table top, then gradually sink / squat down while looking down at the table top and observe how it "flattens out" as you get lower. Same visual effect happens while descending in the plane.

He also had me put the nose of the plane in the same attitude during the flare, as it had during takeoff, and hold the nose on the end of the runway, adding back pressure as the speed / altitude decreased.

Here's an interesting take on landings :
http://www.av8n.com/how/htm/landing.html


"Stick and Rudder: An Explanation of the Art of Flying"
by Wolfgang Langewiesche is a classic "must read" too :)

Mike

Edited by Mike Stramba CNC3 (05/29/09 12:43 PM)


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Mike Campos [CA]
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Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems [Re: Mike Stramba CNC3]
      #249752 - 06/01/09 12:33 PM

Hi Mike,

Roger is cramming for the written text. I had not heard from him in a couple of days, so I emailed him to see how he is doing.

He's trying to fly 2-3 a week, but told me that during the last few days winds have been too strong for him to fly.

He should chime in soon and respond.


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Roger Ferrer
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Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems [Re: Mike Stramba CNC3]
      #250091 - 06/03/09 09:48 PM

Hi Mike Stramba for all the tips.

I am sorry for the delay in responding. I've been spending a lot of hours in Barnes and Noble reading the Gleim book for the Written Test and flying.

Thanks to the tips and tricks I got here my landings have improved tremendously (8 out of 10 are decent), I started to flare much better at the right altitude from the rwy, and smooth (of course when there is not crosswind or gusts). However, when there is a little wind and I am approaching the rwy I still messy trying to get the nose straight applying the different techniques that look easy on paper such as crabbing or controlled landing. Sometimes I am too hard on the rudders and some others I don't press enough the proper rudder....no pain, no gain!

I've been flying 2 and 3 times a week. My instructor has pointed out that the more stable my approach is the better landing I will have. His favorite phrase: "Stability is your Fried". We have 1 concrete/pavement rwy and 2 grass strips with some obstacles close.

My pattern is not 100% accurate neither since sometimes I descend to fast or too slow. I think is a matter of practicing so I am planning to keep on practicing until I get it right.

I will try your suggestions with the table and the simulator. There are some other guys at the airport sharing the same issues I have and we are helping each other as well.

Besides flying, what I like about this environment is that I meet good people with frequency at the airport always willing to share what they know and give you advise. It reminds me about scuba diving where I made some good friends as well.

Hey Ray, I hope one day I understand what is it that you are talking about.....it looks like a different language to me when you exchange thoughts with Tina! :-)

Thanks Mike Campos for your email. I am doing ok and I am also going to Florida on family matters in June 19th.


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Dave Millikan
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Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems [Re: Roger Ferrer]
      #250102 - 06/03/09 10:34 PM

Roger,
Take heart.Most airplanes are the same.
You take it ,down low, hold it off and be patienct
Put a wing down if there is a cross wind.
Works every time after 64 years.
J3, C 140 , C 170, UPF-7 Waco,B A35, T-6, T-28, B-25, KB-29P and ,my SA-300.Not a big problem, but which window to look out in the B-29 was something new.
Dave


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Cole Loftus [C89]
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Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems [Re: Roger Ferrer]
      #250111 - 06/04/09 12:28 AM

Sounds like you're getting the hang of it. It's tough while you have to
think about it, then one day it just clicks, and you're doing it without
thinking about it. Then you're no longer behind the airplane.


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Ray Tackett
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Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems [Re: Roger Ferrer]
      #250125 - 06/04/09 05:50 AM

Roger,

Different language? Das kann ich auch tun. <g> That was IFR stuff, which
you won't see until after you get the private.

Glad to hear about your landings. Here's an exercise I use for crosswind
landings. It challenges your instructor, too.

Have your instructor get into the cross-controlled flare and add just a touch
of power so the plane doesn't quite land. Cruise down the runway at one foot
AGL, holding the nose straight and keeping it over the center line. Near the
far end of the runway, go around.

Then you do it with the instructor on the throttle so you can concentrate on
the rest of the job.

"Graduation" demonstration is you have the throttle, too, AND (on a long
runway) you move left, center, and right on your instructor's calls, keeping
the nose straight and maintaining flare height the whole time.

Repeat in the strongest crosswind with which the instructor is comfortable.

Ray

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Roger Ferrer
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Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems [Re: Ray Tackett]
      #250202 - 06/04/09 10:21 PM

Thanks Ray but what is the difference between doing this exercise and the touch and go? No comprende! :-)

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