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Ward Miller POU-NY
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Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems [Re: Tina Gonsalves (7B6)]
      #248631 - 05/24/09 06:06 AM

Tina, when I read that, I smiled, thinking about your first time here on
AVSIG so many years ago. Since then PPL, Instrument, Commercial, and I
smiled again. Who would ever imagined? You've come a long way, Baby!


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Ray Tackett
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Reged: 04/30/04
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Loc: Philadelphia, USA
Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems [Re: Tina Gonsalves (7B6)]
      #248652 - 05/24/09 10:38 AM

Tina,

EKN is a good indicator in WV. If you hit bad weather, EKN is generally
involved. Pay attention to the observation there and remember that the
airport sits in a valley. There is often IMC, but with tops only 6-8000
through there. It usually clears up around CHS or LEX. The clouds seem to
"hang down" from Lake Erie as if it has something to do with lake effect. DO
NOT try to duck underneath such a layer in that area. Many rocks stick up
into it. If nothing else works, you can try ROA-BNA to get around.

If your route puts you anywhere near the DC Paranoia Zone, I earnestly
recommend IFR, regardless of WX. Saves trying to comply with bunch of weird
rules and maybe getting it wrong. MXE Vsomething ROBRT works, though you
will get turned a bit south, maybe via KROLL on your way to MRB. In the
general area of ROBRT, you will be crossing southbound arrival traffic into
IAD, which is another good reason to be IFR in the area.

BTW, coming from MXE, if you're 3-5 miles from ROBRT and haven't been
vectored yet, ASK. There isn't much legal room beyond that intersection.
HEF is a friendly fuel stop, but perhaps a bit out of your way.

Ray

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Ray,

Owner, Lake Wood Be Gone

Turning quality lumber into sawdust and noise since 2013.


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Robert Mann [HPN-NY]
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Reged: 05/15/04
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Loc: NY
Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems [Re: Tina Gonsalves (7B6)]
      #248675 - 05/24/09 01:21 PM

Tina,

<<Thanks, Bob. That's what a glass of red wine gets you online. >>

If the shoe fits . . .

<<I live in Ellington, CT... about 15 miles NE of Hartford>>

I have a cousin in Manchester. He's probably a stone's throw from you.

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Best,

Bob


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Bruce Gorrell [EQY]
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Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems [Re: Ray Tackett]
      #248686 - 05/24/09 03:16 PM

CRW (Charley West) maybe? It's a long way from EKN to CHS (Charleston South)

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Ray Tackett
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Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems [Re: Bruce Gorrell [EQY]]
      #248711 - 05/24/09 06:40 PM

Yeah. Thanks.

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Turning quality lumber into sawdust and noise since 2013.


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Tina Gonsalves (7B6)
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Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems [Re: Ward Miller POU-NY]
      #248716 - 05/24/09 07:36 PM

Thank you, Ward. I enjoy reading Roger's posts now because it's all so familiar to me. And who knew Mike Campos was responsible. Again. <g>

Best Regards,

Tina


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Tina Gonsalves (7B6)
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Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems [Re: Ray Tackett]
      #248720 - 05/24/09 07:43 PM

Hi Ray,

The route I had originally planned did get close enough to DC to make me a little skittish. Reviewed the "Navigating the DC Special Flight Rules Area" course even. My straight line'ish VFR flight took me to KHGR then to K22, Big Sandy Airport somewhere in Kentucky. I expected I would need two pit stops.

I will take your advice and look at an IFR routing as well.

Certainly when I do make this flight I will be here making a big fuss over it. <lol>

But let's turn this thread back to Roger and his landing problems.

Best Regards,

Tina


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Tina Gonsalves (7B6)
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Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems [Re: Robert Mann [HPN-NY]]
      #248721 - 05/24/09 07:44 PM

Manchester IS very close. It's where the mall is. <g>

If you're ever in the 'hood, give me a shout. I'll buy lunch.

Best... Tina


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Robert Mann [HPN-NY]
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Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems [Re: Tina Gonsalves (7B6)]
      #248724 - 05/24/09 07:53 PM

Tina,

<<If you're ever in the 'hood, give me a shout. I'll buy lunch.>>

I am in the neighborhood about once a year or so. As far as your offer to buy lunch, I'll send the contract out in the morning.

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Best,

Bob


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Ray Tackett
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Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems [Re: Tina Gonsalves (7B6)]
      #248729 - 05/24/09 09:06 PM

If you file 6000, you should be able to get JFK V16 DIXIE, or maybe farther
south by Martin State. If you get DIXIE, the rest will be something like RBV
ARD MXE V<forgot the number> ROBRT ,,, If you get the LHY tour, and wx is
VMC, go VFR above NYC, and drop in to any of the Philly area airports to
refuel and file IFR.

I've also air-filed due to being stuck on top passing EKN and no breaks
reported the rest of the way to LEX, I39. I39 is where I'm going when I go
that way.

The other trip from MXE toward ROBRT for me is students' long IFR x-c to HEF.

BTW, direct Ellington to HGR will put you kinda close to the Camp David
prohibited area. Be sure you check NOTAMS for its size du jour; it varies.
There are also two small restricted areas not far north. My advice: transit
the area IFR and let ATC do all the worrying for you. Last time I was VFR
through there (pre 9/11), was when I found out about the IAD arrival stream.

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Ray,

Owner, Lake Wood Be Gone

Turning quality lumber into sawdust and noise since 2013.


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