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Mike Campos [CA]
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Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems [Re: Roger Ferrer]
      #257782 - 07/30/09 02:01 PM

Hi Roger,

Night rating? Do you mean the night requirements for the PPL? I forget, I know I did one night flight down the Hudson River corridor and one cross country to Bridgeport from CDW. That night I was up in the air when TWA 800 crashed.

I can look up at home to see how much time I put in night flying, if I remember correctly the requirements are outlined in the FARs.
As for accelerated IFR training, American Flyers has a 10 day program, given your knack for studying, I think you may do well with it.

American Flyers


I don't know how much real IFR training they do, but there is a world of difference between going up in good weather under the hood and bouncing around in the clouds in real IFR. Unsolicited plug comming <g>. Besides soloing and getting your PPL, there is nothing like flying IFR at night and for the first time break out of the clouds with a perfectly lit airport in front of you, it a heck of an experience. Also flying straight into a wall of clouds is a weird feeling, it is like you are going to hit a wall.

If you get your IFR rating without doing much real IFR flying, I would make it a point to go up with an instructor in real IFR to get some practice.

Edited by Mike Campos [CA] (07/30/09 02:02 PM)


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Roger Ferrer
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Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems [Re: Mike Campos [CA]]
      #259197 - 08/09/09 10:46 AM

Hi All,

I am checking with you few minutes before leaving home to go to the airfield. We tried to do a night x-country yesterday but the there was a cell in the area and we canceled the trip.
Today we are doing a dual-x- country to MIV if weather allows.

Thanks again for all the tips and websites for practicing. My instructor took me to Lancaster this week and I solo there. I did 3 TOL’s but to be honest….. ATC were unbelievable wonderful after my instructor said…”be advised this is a new student soloing, please keep the eye on him”. He got off the plain and I got kind of nervous but Ground gave me super duper progressive instructions to the active rwy and the rest was a piece of cake that day.

Mike Campos, it’s kind of sad what happened at the Hudson river but I know you have flown there a lot. What is your input about the accident between the helicopter and the private plain? How could that would’ve been prevented in your opinion? Any thoughts? There was a second helicopter that tried to radio the one crashing but got no response. Few seconds later he saw the disaster.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090809/ap_o...mVyc3JlbW92ZQ--

Have a safe fly evebody and enjoy your day!


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Ralph Jones
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Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems [Re: Roger Ferrer]
      #259203 - 08/09/09 12:20 PM

Quote:

My instructor took me to Lancaster this week and I solo there.




Bloody good show, Roger!

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Scott Dyer [HPN/NY]
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Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems [Re: Roger Ferrer]
      #259207 - 08/09/09 12:46 PM

Roger - Congratulations on your solo!!

As to the accident, it's see and avoid, head on a swivel, can't rely on other
people's radio transmission. PIC responsibility, and sometimes the deck is
stacked against you (e.g., traffic climbing up from below). The climbing
traffic is the scenario I worry about most in the corridor...guys at my
altitude I can see pretty well.

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Mike Campos [CA]
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Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems [Re: Mike Campos [CA]]
      #259384 - 08/10/09 05:25 PM

Hi Roger,

What Scott said, it is a busy area and things get hectic some times.

Amazingly enough I don't think there have been many accidents of this type in recent history, does anyone know if there have been any previous accidents over the Hudson? I know there was one with a Learjet and a Cessna around the early 80s, but I think that was right out of Teterboro.


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Scott Dyer [HPN/NY]
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Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems [Re: Mike Campos [CA]]
      #259404 - 08/10/09 06:41 PM

Mike -- That was right in the TEB Class B (or, actually, ATA, at the time).
I was a witness to that one.

Lots of helicopters and fixed wing aircraft have crashed/ditched into the
river, but I don't recall any collisions in the last 20 years. Could be
wrong.


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Mike Campos [CA]
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Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems [Re: Scott Dyer [HPN/NY]]
      #259516 - 08/11/09 10:38 AM

Thanks Scott,

I was living in Fairview, NJ at the time the mid air happened around TEB, the small plane ended up a couple of blocks from where I lived, not a pleasant sight.


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Roger Ferrer
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Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems [Re: Mike Campos [CA]]
      #259598 - 08/11/09 09:08 PM

Hi All,

Thanks for the input about the Hudson River. I guess that the area around the Statue of Liberty is not a flying zone for a newbie like me. I associate that to Washington, DC which is called the “No Flight Zone” around here and we had to take a training online because the proximity of our airfield to DC.

On another note, weather is not cooperating around here. I made about two flight plans for cross-country and had to put them on hold for now. In the meantime, I have been doing some ground school with my instructor.
Haven’t had the chance to practice with the VOR links but I have been listening to the KBOS using the link that Mike Stramba sent me and it has been a great help to me. Thanks Mike!
My landings have been improving and I know it is not a big deal for you guys but my instructor endorsed me for 7 kts winds. I had an endorsement for 5 kts before.

Good night All!


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Kcid LlirreM
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Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems [Re: Roger Ferrer]
      #259809 - 08/13/09 09:37 AM

for instrument training you might think about Bob Miller, a former avsigger. He will get you in the clouds.

http://bobmillerflighttraining.com/

good luck.

Dick


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Roger Ferrer
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Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems [Re: Kcid LlirreM]
      #259902 - 08/13/09 08:53 PM

Thanks a lot Dick.
I checked it out. The Intruments rating is about 10k which is not bad for 10 days of accelerated training.


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