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Jim Tavenner
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Re: TSA hits a new low. [Re: Sue A. Critz (KELP)]
      #148690 - 03/27/07 12:17 PM

Zbigniew Brzezinski got it exactly right in a piece published this weekend:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/23/AR2007032301613.html

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-Jim T.
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"Hours of boredom, punctuated by moments of stark terror."


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Dan Barclay [ORG]
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Re: TSA hits a new low. [Re: Jim Tavenner]
      #148697 - 03/27/07 01:51 PM

>> Zbigniew Brzezinski got it exactly right in a piece published this
>> weekend:

To put it mildly, I disagree. I'll leave it mild or this would belong in
another section (it probably already does).

Carter and Zbig... good fit. Glad they found each other.

Dan


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Geoff Sjostrom - Chicago
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Re: TSA hits a new low. [Re: Jim Tavenner]
      #148820 - 03/28/07 11:58 AM

So, we shouldn't fear terrorists? Is that it?

Geoff Sjostrom


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Glenn Cooper
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Re: TSA hits a new low. [Re: Geoff Sjostrom - Chicago]
      #148822 - 03/28/07 12:27 PM

We shouldn't allow a fear of them to rule our lives. Every time you take your shoes off in a TSA line, there ia a guy in an afghan cave laughing

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Ward Miller POU-NY
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Re: TSA hits a new low. [Re: Geoff Sjostrom - Chicago]
      #148831 - 03/28/07 01:26 PM

>> So, we shouldn't fear terrorists? <<

Geoff, put in perspective, I say "no", we should not "fear" terrorists.

For the past 15 years there have been between, roughly, 16,000 to 25,000
persons murdered in the U.S. each year. During that period, about 1,400,000
to 2,000,000 violent crimes were recorded annually in the U.S. But I don't
"fear" I'll be murdered or the victim of a violent crime any more than I
"fear" I'll be one of the 40,000 persons to die in an MVA this year.

I sincerely believe many of our leaders, and many of those of us being lead,
have lost sight of our nation's foundational objectives and are getting
caught up in and making relatively lesser significant matters more important
than warranted.

I see "fear" being used as a political motivator, replacing rational
analysis, with respect to many of our national problems, objectives and
concerns.

I think FDR had it correct in his 1933 inaugural address when he said, "The
only thing we have to fear is fear itself."


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Mase Taylor
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Re: TSA hits a new low. [Re: Glenn Cooper]
      #148832 - 03/28/07 01:37 PM

Quote:

We shouldn't allow a fear of them to rule our lives. Every time you take your shoes off in a TSA line, there ia a guy in an afghan cave laughing





Fair enough. But I also think taking reasonable precautions against those who have sworn to kills us is prudent.

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Jim Tavenner
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Re: TSA hits a new low. [Re: Ward Miller POU-NY]
      #148837 - 03/28/07 03:22 PM

Quote:

For the past 15 years there have been between, roughly, 16,000 to 25,000
persons murdered in the U.S. each year. During that period, about 1,400,000
to 2,000,000 violent crimes were recorded annually in the U.S. But I don't
"fear" I'll be murdered or the victim of a violent crime any more than I
"fear" I'll be one of the 40,000 persons to die in an MVA this year.





Still, I buckle up every time I drive, and I keep the car in good working order, happily comply with state inspections, etc. However, the situation vis-a-vis terrorism would be the equivalent of having the cops check the ID of everyone leaving their driveway, and the installation of speed bumps on the interstate. Prudence is good, overreaction is uncalled for.

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Glenn Cooper
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Re: TSA hits a new low. [Re: Mase Taylor]
      #148838 - 03/28/07 03:46 PM

Quote:




Fair enough. But I also think taking reasonable precautions against those who have sworn to kills us is prudent.




I just suppose it depends on your definition of reasonable precautions. Much of what I see and hear does not fall into that category for me.


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Ward Miller POU-NY
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Re: TSA hits a new low. [Re: Jim Tavenner]
      #148848 - 03/28/07 06:47 PM

>> Prudence is good, overreaction is uncalled for. <<

I agree, Jim. And that means we are paying *uncalled for* billions.


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Geoff Sjostrom - Chicago
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Re: TSA hits a new low. [Re: Ward Miller POU-NY]
      #148893 - 03/29/07 12:22 PM

The question, of course, is: Would have there been more Americans killed by
terrorists without the precautions that have been set in place? Clearly some
of those precautions are silly, but it's equally clear that some have been
effective.

Security systems don't have to be perfect to achieve their goals. For
instance, despite the porous nature of the airline passenger screening system
instituted in the sixties (or was it the seventies?), it was an adequate
deterrent that for decades prevented any more gun wielding nuts from
hijacking aircraft to Cuba or other places.

We've gone five years without a major successful terrorist attack on American
soil. It's not because our enemies decided that we had suffered enough on
September 11, 2001. Whether you approve of the Patriot Act or any other law
or security regulation enacted since that date, I feel certain that the work
of our intelligence services, military, and law enforcement has saved
American lives.

The major reason that you and I have little to fear from terrorists is that
it's a big country, and there's no particular reason for anybody to target
us. Those Avsiggers who work as aircrew or in ATC are better targets than
you and me, though. So, I would argue that we should still be afraid of
terrorists, but would also say that the steps we take to prevent terrorism
should be carefully evaluated to be certain that they are worthwhile.

Geoff


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