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Jim Tavenner
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TSA hits a new low.
      #148139 - 03/21/07 07:10 PM

It's hard to imagine, but the TSA has hit a new low. They just instituted a new policy that will require commuting flight crew, who are going home at the end of a sequence to exit the secured area, and then reenter through security, i.e., and pointless roundtrip through the checkpoint. This policy will be incredibly inconvenient to all flight crew, (and also to passengers at the checkpoint) and will not enhance security a bit! This agency is getting out of control.

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John Cooper [KAVL]
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Re: TSA hits a new low. [Re: Jim Tavenner]
      #148140 - 03/21/07 07:14 PM

What's the alleged reason for this new policy?

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Jim Tavenner
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Re: TSA hits a new low. [Re: John Cooper [KAVL]]
      #148146 - 03/21/07 07:42 PM

Probably the TSA wants to throw its weight around. Again. It's bad enough they are sexually molesting flight attendants. Now this outrageous policy. Once again, TSA stands for Those Stupid A*******.

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Jim Good
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Re: TSA hits a new low. [Re: Jim Tavenner]
      #148153 - 03/21/07 08:55 PM

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It's hard to imagine, but the TSA has hit a new low. They just instituted a new policy that will require commuting flight crew, who are going home at the end of a sequence to exit the secured area, and then reenter through security, . . ...




I am reminded of the technology of the Thermos jug. You know; keeps hot things hot, cold things cold, resulting in the timeless question -- "How do it know?"

Seems analogous in an analog sorta way. If you get out of the cockpit of a plane at Gate 18, and walk to Gate 30 to catch a jump seat trip home, how would the TSA Droids know?


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Tom Tyson [SUW]
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Re: TSA hits a new low. [Re: Jim Tavenner]
      #148154 - 03/21/07 09:26 PM

Jim, this seems just about unworkable in some airports.

One example (and there are many); the Comair concourse ("C") at CVG. Theey want the flight crew to have to take the shuttle back to "B", then the tram back to the ticketing concourse to exit and then reenter security and then reverse the trip back to "C"???

That could take 30 minutes - I sure hope there isn't a tight connection going home.

As asked before - What is the purpose of this, to make sure the already screened crew isn't a threat?

T.S.A. Indeed

- TT

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Edited by Tom Tyson [KGSO] (03/21/07 09:28 PM)


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Mase Taylor
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Re: TSA hits a new low. [Re: Tom Tyson [SUW]]
      #148158 - 03/21/07 09:57 PM

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Jim, this seems just about unworkable in some airports.




As far as I know (it was that way when I retired at the end of 2004) American and Eagle at LAX use a remote terminal for Eagle. Passengers are screened at terminal 4 and then bused to the Eagle terminal. I don't think there is any screening at the Eagle area. This will cause a lot of consternation for someone ending their duty day on Eagle and wanting to jumpseat home to Fresno....

Back when I retired, there was talk of easing up on employees. Perhaps, instituting some sort of "trusted traveller" program for flight crews and ground employees who have to enter and exit the sterile area numerous times a day. Such a plan made a lot of common sense, to me. It looks as if things are going in the opposite direction. I mean, to get my LAX ramp badge, I had to be FBI fingerprinted, 10-year background checked, drugged and alcoholed, and to get access to Customs I had to present my passport and get a supplimental sticker on my badge. Was I really a threat to aircraft?

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Edited by Mase Taylor [LAX] (03/21/07 10:11 PM)


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Ward Miller POU-NY
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TSA hits a new low. [Re: Tom Tyson [SUW]]
      #148172 - 03/22/07 06:35 AM

>>As asked before - What is the purpose of this, to make sure the already
screened crew isn't a threat? <<

Tom, the crew could have brought the emergency fire ax from the previous
aircraft. no <g>


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Ralph Jones
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Re: TSA hits a new low. [Re: Ward Miller POU-NY]
      #148206 - 03/22/07 11:38 AM

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the crew could have brought the emergency fire ax from the previous aircraft. no <g>




Yeah, and then when they got on the next airplane they'd have two axes...

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Glenn Cooper
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Re: TSA hits a new low. [Re: Jim Tavenner]
      #148213 - 03/24/07 05:14 AM

When you get off your plane, and go to the next gate for a ride home, how are they going to know if you were screened locally or not?

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nehoC hctiM
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Re: TSA hits a new low. [Re: Glenn Cooper]
      #148249 - 03/24/07 12:30 PM

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When you get off your plane, and go to the next gate for a ride home, how are they going to know if you were screened locally or not?




Boarding pass...not stamped.

Speaking of new lows, yesterday my FO told me about a TSA looker over the shoulder during his walk around of the CRJ 200.
It was POURING in CAK when this happened.
TSA agent was watching him open every panel, when he suddenly realized, she was about to walk directly into the APU exhaust, and grabbed her and pulled her out of the way..just in time.

What training do these people have being on the ramp?
What is next, seeing one of them sucked into an engine like what just happened recently on the ramp with a Trained mechanic?

Seriously

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