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Ralph Jones
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Re: DSL woes [Re: Russell Holton]
      #141088 - 01/20/07 05:25 AM

Whew...I was afraid it was a typo <g>.

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Gary Rima - TKI
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Re: DSL woes [Re: Joe Budge (W29)]
      #141092 - 01/20/07 05:51 AM

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I'm not going back to dial-up, and I've seen what happens to cable when all the teenagers get home from school and bog it down.



Common misconception, promoted HEAVILY by marketing messages from DSL companies. Its true that the "last link" isn't shared with DSL the way it is with cable, but that just moves the bottleneck (very slightly) further upstream to the particular CO servicing your area. At that point all the traffic from you and all those teenagers are also aggregated. Now it may be that in your particular neighborhood that there are more of the teens on cable than DSL for some reason, but its pretty well known by all the independent rating sites that DSL is not inherently less susceptible to bandwidth degradation than cable.

In my neighborhood (with LOTS of kids) maybe they're mostly on DSL instead for some reason, because I don't see any significant slowdown in late afternoon/evening on my cable connection - and I work from home, so I'd definitely notice an "after school" hit if there were one. Of course, my cable connection is nominally 8Mb (which I certainly can't get from DSL around here), so it could slow down a fair bit without being noticeable for most websites and internet activity.


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Kcid LlirreM
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Re: DSL woes [Re: Ed Williams [PHOG]]
      #141094 - 01/20/07 06:07 AM

yea but did you give them you exact position determined from your celestial fix on the deck?(G)

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Jerry Kurata [KLVK]
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Re: DSL woes [Re: Steve Stombaugh (IND)]
      #141101 - 01/20/07 08:17 AM

Shouldn't this be SBC problem? What do they have to say about it?

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Re: DSL woes [Re: Gary Rima - TKI]
      #141199 - 01/21/07 03:36 AM

Gary,

I was using a Mom & Pop cable company, so their network design could easily have been "less than optimal" shall we say. Like yourself I work out of the house so I saw network performance at all hours. The slowdowns were clearly noticeable. In normal weather afternoons weren't too bad, probably because of sports. You'd see things start to slow down around 5pm. They'd stay slow all weekend. Worst was "snow days" when everyone was home from school, inside. Then the cable connection became comparable to dial-up. I don't know where the bottleneck was, but that system sure had one. Thanks for pointing out that not all cable systems are created equal.

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Steve Stombaugh (IND)
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Re: DSL woes [Re: Jerry Kurata [KLVK]]
      #141243 - 01/21/07 10:41 AM

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Shouldn't this be SBC problem? What do they have to say about it?


Funny, it never really crossed my mind to call them. Guess I'm so jaded by poor customer service that I don't even try.

I'm moving the computer today, will have the router unlugged overnight, will see if that cures the problem. If not, I'll call.


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Russell Holton
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Re: DSL woes [Re: Gary Rima - TKI]
      #141255 - 01/21/07 11:19 AM

I've heard the same stories (slow downs) first person from those who have/had cable modems. I've never noticed it on my own DSL. I think the issue with cable may be the amount of resources the company is willing to dedicate to the service since it comes at the expense of other services. It's nothing that can't be overcome with good management, but I do think it takes more management to get consistent cable service then consistent DSL service.

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Jerry Kurata [KLVK]
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Re: DSL woes [Re: Steve Stombaugh (IND)]
      #141285 - 01/21/07 04:28 PM

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Shouldn't this be SBC problem? What do they have to say about it?


Funny, it never really crossed my mind to call them. Guess I'm so jaded by poor customer service that I don't even try.





I have excellent service from SBC. We had static on the line and they determined that it was section of line that runs from the street to my house. They jack hammered my driveway and relayed the concrete better than it was. My cost was $0.

jerry

Edited by Jerry Kurata [KLVK] (01/21/07 04:31 PM)


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Jerry Kurata [KLVK]
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Re: DSL woes [Re: Gary Rima - TKI]
      #141289 - 01/21/07 04:33 PM

I agree. I love my cable modem. We have had them since the early 90s (Pleasanton was the 2nd or 3rd city to get them). We have consistant speeds of 6 mps or better and way over 99.9% uptime.

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Gary Rima - TKI
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Re: DSL woes [Re: Russell Holton]
      #141332 - 01/22/07 06:07 AM

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I think the issue with cable may be the amount of resources the company is willing to dedicate to the service since it comes at the expense of other services. It's nothing that can't be overcome with good management, but I do think it takes more management to get consistent cable service then consistent DSL service.



First of all, just to be clear, I'm not arguing at all with the good experiences you and Joe Budge have had with your DSL. There are obviously good and bad experiences out there with both cable and DSL. But I don't think cable is inherently harder to manage than DSL service. Again, with DSL, the "aggregation point" is simply moved *very* slightly upstream - to the far end of the few thousand feet of copper wire connecting you to the CO. OTOH, that old twisted pair connecting you to the CO is much lower bandwidth *generally* than the neighborhood cable installation delivering tens or hundreds of video channels. The telcos have always focused heavily in their marketing on the fact that that twisted pair is dedicated to you, vs being shared with cable - which in reality doesn't mean anything at all, but sure manages to confuse a lot of consumers.

As for cable having to dedicate resources that would otherwise be available for other services - the internet data essentially occupies one "channel" on your cable infrastructure. All the normal cable channels and whatever signal they're delivering are unaffected. I put the "channel" in quotes, because without going off and looking it up, I'm not positive if the frequency "slice" being used for internet is the same width as a normal TV channel or if its a wider "slice." But once you've "sliced off" that frequency range, its essentially dedicated to the internet signal and doesn't affect the much broader range of signals delivered at different frequencies for all the TV signals on the cable.

*If* conditions are perfect, cable generally delivers higher *potential* speeds. At the moment, in Dallas, Time Warner Cable has internet packages up to 10Mb, while SBC/AT&T's best DSL speed availability is 6Mb. That generally mirrors the situation in most large metro areas. BUT, in any given instance, its certainly possible that a local DSL provider may provide better service than a local cable provider (or vice versa, of course.) And of course, no matter what your nominal speed, there are many other factors too - my current service is 8Mb, and I find there are VERY few websites that are capable of "feeding" me a full 8Mb of download speed.


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