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Geoff Sjostrom - Chicago
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Building a Vista system
      #139976 - 01/09/07 11:31 AM

A guy who runs a tech blog has put together a recipe for a $2600 homebuilt
computer that he says will match the performance of commercially built
computers that cost $10,000. Any of you hardware geeks out there see any
flaws in his plan?

http://blogs.zdnet.com/Ou/?p=396&page=2

I'd appreciate an evaluation of his recommendations.

Geoff


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Ralph Jones
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Re: Building a Vista system [Re: Geoff Sjostrom - Chicago]
      #139984 - 01/09/07 01:25 PM

Looks pretty lean on power. The manufacturer of the video card (BFG) spec's a 450-watt PSU based on using it with an X6800 CPU, and this guy wants to use a QX6700 which draws 55 more watts. I'd want something in the sevens at least.

DirectX 10 is a powerful advantage, but remember these are the first DX10 cards on the market. The top of the technology heap is very expensive shopping territory...there should be some more moderate-priced DX10 cards in a few months.

The CPU and mobo combination can run the front-side bus at 1066 MHz, but your next CPU upgrade may be able to run 1333, and if you have this motherboard you'll have to replace it too (or stay with 1066). There are boards available now that can accommodate 1333 for about $150 more.

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Geoff Sjostrom - Chicago
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Building a Vista system [Re: Ralph Jones]
      #139996 - 01/09/07 03:37 PM

That's EXACTLY the kind of feedback I'm looking for. Many thanks.

Geoff


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Gary Rima - TKI
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Re: Building a Vista system [Re: Geoff Sjostrom - Chicago]
      #140012 - 01/09/07 05:07 PM

Geoff,

I agree with Ralph about the power supply, I think this guy has seriously under-spec'd the power supply, and marginal power is a recipe for all sorts of unusual and hard to troubleshoot problems.

As for the DX10 card, I also agree that its hardly ever a good idea to buy the 1.0 version of anything, and that's what this card is - 1.0 of DX10. I'll extend it a bit further though, to the Qx6700 quad core CPU as well as Vista itself. I just finished building a GREAT new machine, performs almost as well as the author's $1632 machine, and I have only a little over $1000 in mine. I bought the E6300 instead of the 6600, figured the motherboard audio on my (better) motherboard was perfectly fine, and have a 7900GS video card which isn't quite the horsepower and only runs DX9, but cost me $140 vs. the $436 he spent. Also, he spent a little less on memory, but filled up ALL FOUR slots to get his 2GB, while I have 2GB with the other two slots open for expansion.

Other than artificial benchmarks, there's virtually NO software out there yet to take advantage of the QX6700 quad core CPU. My motherboard will take the QX as an upgrade at some point in the future, and I can buy a DX10 graphics card after the prices come down and the early bugs have been ironed out. Also, I tend to believe in the "SP1 rule" for operating systems, which basically says that you'll avoid much heartache by waiting to upgrade until the release of the first Service Pack, when most of the early nasty bugs are exterminated. So, I've got a VERY fast WinXP machine today, for not much over $1000, and the ability to drop in a new DX10 card, upgrade the CPU and install Vista - when all three of those become a little more stable and a little more price competitive.

One final thought - personally I just don't like the idea of water cooling. I think its not a matter of IF it leaks, but WHEN it leaks. One of my company's consultants just trashed his motherboard AND his CPU chip when his water-cooling system sprung a leak. Pretty expensive event for him. Water and electronics just isn't a great combination. And with careful selection of case, fans and particularly heatsink - you can get really impressive results with high-end air cooling these days.

-Gary-


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Ron Rosenfeld (EPM)
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Building a Vista system [Re: Geoff Sjostrom - Chicago]
      #140031 - 01/10/07 01:32 AM

Geoff,

I'm no expert, but I have built two machines in the past year. I agree with
what others have written, about power supply, video cards, FSB speeds and so
forth.

But also, (and I'd be curious about what the experts have to say), I wonder
about his statement that RAID 0 (striping) has no speed advantage over two
separate drives. I suppose that could be true if you're careful about what
you run on each drive. But my reading led me to believe that for the average
user there is a speed advantage.

Also, I agree wholeheartedly that mirroring is not a substitute for backup
and is useful to reduce downtime.

But I spend a few hours a day on my computer, and down time is a potential
problem. I have four drives in a RAID 10 configuration. When I drive
crashed a month or two ago, my system continued to be usable for the four or
five days (I live in the boonies) it took to procure and install a
replacement. And then, after I installed the replacement, I did not have to
do *anything* to rebuild the drive. The RAID controller took care of
everything, and I was still able to use the computer while this was going
on. Priceless (to me).

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Jim Bell
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Re: Building a Vista system [Re: Geoff Sjostrom - Chicago]
      #140034 - 01/10/07 02:42 AM

Geoff,

Like everyone else...the PS ain't got enuf ;-). Not a system (if I were a system builder) I'd sell to a friend...


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Geoff Sjostrom - Chicago
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Building a Vista system [Re: Ron Rosenfeld (EPM)]
      #140054 - 01/10/07 09:51 AM

I've got four drives in a RAID 10 configuration, too, and I also believe that
there's a speed advantage.

Thanks to you, Jim, and Gary for taking the time to look at the system and
make comments.

Geoff


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Geoff Sjostrom - Chicago
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Building a Vista system [Re: Ralph Jones]
      #140141 - 01/11/07 09:51 AM

Perhaps I should specify the reason for my needing a new machine: Microsoft
Flight Simulator X. It looks like a slide show on my current machine, based
on an Athlon 64 3400+ with a Radeon 9600 video card.

I know that later DirectX 10 cards will be faster and cheaper, but that will
always be true. Unless there's a reason to believe that a later card will be
at least 50% faster, the performance difference would probably be
imperceptible to me when running MSFS.

Geoff


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Jim Bell
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Re: Building a Vista system [Re: Geoff Sjostrom - Chicago]
      #140158 - 01/11/07 03:00 PM

Geoff,

Sounds like I'm showing off here...I'm not playing the 'I'm gettin' the cool new box' card. Reality is, when I get the X6800/nVidia 680i MOBO/8800GTX etc. from Falcon NW I'll let ya know how FS X runs.

My best guess is it'll run like the pos it is, on the current 955EE box.. Ralph J. made the salient post (#139106) as regards the underlying codebase.

Rewrite it. I'll be enjoying FS 9, add-ons etc., full speed ahead, my guess :-)

Edited by Jim Bell (01/11/07 03:07 PM)


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Jerry Kurata [KLVK]
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Re: Building a Vista system [Re: Geoff Sjostrom - Chicago]
      #140164 - 01/11/07 04:50 PM

Does Vista use Direct X 10? I know it does Direct X 9.

We are finding Vista pretty picky about hardware. It is looking our IBM Thinkpads will not run it without some to be announced drives. Supposedly something like 90% + of the laptops are below the configuration needed to run Vista Ultimate.


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