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Randy Sohn
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Re: JetBlue Fatigue Experiment [Re: J. Wiley]
      #131964 - 11/01/06 02:27 PM

J - re>>Back in the Piedmont days<<

Aw heck, he could'a just deadheaded "Diamond Jack" out there and nobody'd of known the difference, least of all Jack <g>.

best, randy


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Scott Dyer [HPN/NY]
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JetBlue Fatigue Experiment [Re: J. Wiley]
      #131965 - 11/01/06 02:42 PM

John -- Well, he was thinking out of the box. <G>

I remember flying on PI LAX-CLT, and then on to ILM, in November 1988 coming
back home from a business trip with a stop in ILM to look at this Archer I
had seen advertized in TAP. Ended up buying the Archer and flying it home
after Thanksgiving, and loved it dearly.

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J. Wiley
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Re: JetBlue Fatigue Experiment [Re: Randy Sohn]
      #131978 - 11/01/06 04:24 PM

Quote:

J - re>>Back in the Piedmont days<<

Aw heck, he could'a just deadheaded "Diamond Jack" out there and nobody'd of known the difference, least of all Jack <g>.

best, randy




Someone told me a few months ago Diamond Jack was not doing well. I have not heard anything lately. But yes, let him carry that pistol in his boot, those diamonds in his rings and bracelets and ignore that flask.. and DJ was ready to go...

Funny thing about Jack.. seemed loose as a goose but drop the flaps or gear 1 kt above placard and it would be an item to talk about. Extensively.


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J. Wiley
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Re: JetBlue Fatigue Experiment [Re: Scott Dyer [HPN/NY]]
      #131979 - 11/01/06 04:31 PM

Quote:

John -- Well, he was thinking out of the box. <G>
I remember flying on PI LAX-CLT, and then on to ILM, in November 1988 coming back home from a business trip with a stop in ILM to look at this Archer I
had seen advertized in TAP. Ended up buying the Archer and flying it home after Thanksgiving, and loved it dearly.




The standard briefing for the 727 going to the west coast was, "...if anything happens, open all 3 dumps and dump down to 3000 across the board or until we are back on short final."

We are always at max gross and takeoff usually used MOST of the runway. Damn.. I loved flyin' that airplane. Unlike the 737 which could go down or slow down but not both, the 727 could do almost anything you asked of it. While I never did it, I know guys who hit the marker well north of 250kts and made a *stabilized* approach by the time they were at 500ft.

The 727 was one of the truly great flying machines and I am privileged to have flown it.

How long did you keep the Archer??

Edited by J Wiley (11/01/06 04:32 PM)


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Randy Sohn
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Re: JetBlue Fatigue Experiment [Re: J. Wiley]
      #131985 - 11/01/06 05:13 PM

J - re>>who hit the marker well north of 250kts and made a *stabilized* approach by the time they were at 500<<

Concur, I never found anyplace that I could exceed the 250 below 10 but garandangtee'ya, BRIDG *at* 250 and stablized by 7-800'.

>>The 727 was one of the truly great<<

Concur! (Especially with dash 17's or 17R's!)

best, randy


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Scott Dyer [HPN/NY]
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JetBlue Fatigue Experiment [Re: J. Wiley]
      #132021 - 11/01/06 08:07 PM

John -- I had it for 7 years, and over 1000 hours, for instrument training,
some commercial work and lots of cross country time. Sweet airplane.

My "I'd like to do" list includes types in the DC-3 and 727. I really like
the classic tri-motor, from when EAL first introduced their Whisperliners
(louder than stink, actually!).

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J. Wiley
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Re: JetBlue Fatigue Experiment [Re: Scott Dyer [HPN/NY]]
      #132029 - 11/01/06 08:41 PM

Quote:

My "I'd like to do" list includes types in the DC-3 and 727. I really like
the classic tri-motor, from when EAL first introduced their Whisperliners
(louder than stink, actually!).




The Seven Two was an honest airplane... very honest and forthright. Fly it right and it would not bite. Screw around with it and it was like dancing with Medusa.

You could trim it up, set the power and NAIL the airspeed. On an ILS, you could wire it. Flying non-precision approaches was a challenge especially when you had to carry engine anti-ice because you had to keep a high power setting and that screwed up your descents to mins where we still used dive and drives. Level off and with gear down and flaps 30 for landing, the engines were swilling fuel at close to or more than 5000lbs/hr EACH.

On the other hand, you could come into the pattern clean, set about 2800lbs on each engine. When it slowed to 210, drop flaps 1. It would slow more and at 190 go flaps 5. Approaching the glideslope, drop the gear at 1 dot and go flaps 15. Intercept the glideslope and go flaps 30 and NEVER touch the thrust levers.

An honest airplane... Boeing said however, they would NEVER build another airplane with such a complicated wing. We used to think of flaps 40 at 50% wing disassembly...<G> with those leading edge flaps/slats and TRIPLE slotted fowler flaps. It looked like some raptor mantling with full flaps.


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Jim Tavenner
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Re: JetBlue Fatigue Experiment [Re: Bruce Gorrell [EQY]]
      #132041 - 11/01/06 09:31 PM

You are correct, JB does not have a pilot's union. All the pilots sign five year individual contracts. At the end of it, I suppose, any pilot could be fired at the company's whim. If they started to do it just to keep the seniority list pretty young, you'd see a union real quick. A lot of the people they hired were MEC chairmen and the like.

Companys that have unions deserve them. JB was trying not to be such a company, but maybe they blew it with this little stunt.

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Randy Sohn
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Re: JetBlue Fatigue Experiment [Re: J. Wiley]
      #132050 - 11/01/06 09:52 PM

J - re>>told me a few months ago Diamond Jack was not doing well<<

Now THAT one has to be one of the more classical pieces of understatement that I've ever seen!

best, randy


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Scott Dyer [HPN/NY]
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JetBlue Fatigue Experiment [Re: J. Wiley]
      #132059 - 11/01/06 10:26 PM

John -- I marvelled many times at that wing coming apart on approach from my
august spot sitting in coach.

Isn't it just magnificent when you're one with the airplane, and all the
right stuff happens (speeds, configurations, touchdown) almost magically
without much conscious thought? It makes my day (or night), every time it
all comes together.

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