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Mac Tichenor (DAL)
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Re: Another Practical Test [Re: Scott Dyer [HPN/NY]]
      #424008 - 04/07/16 12:22 AM

Congratulations, Scott.

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Scott Dyer [HPN/NY]
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Re: Another Practical Test [Re: Mac Tichenor (DAL)]
      #424011 - 04/07/16 09:11 AM

Thanks, Mac.

Now we need to just get Adm. Andy on the path...


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Tom Charlton
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Re: Another Practical Test [Re: Scott Dyer [HPN/NY]]
      #424016 - 04/07/16 02:32 PM Attachment (153 downloads)

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After the practical I started livin' the dream immediately (lunch at Chick-Fil-A).


Hi Scott,
Me thinks our newest flight instructor needs a reality check<g>.
Real flight instructors dine on Tom’s cheese crackers and an RC Cola:


Regards,
Tom Charlton


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Edited by Tom Charlton (04/07/16 02:33 PM)


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Cole Loftus [C89]
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Re: Another Practical Test [Re: Scott Dyer [HPN/NY]]
      #424026 - 04/07/16 06:00 PM

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I'm happy to report




Congratz and that photo of that retractible made me recall one time out at Chino when I needed to get over to Palm Springs to do something or other. Hinton had one of them sitting there on the ramp and Steverino sez "Well Randy, take that Cessna out there and go on over". I noticed some red hydraulic fluid around the gear deal on the floor and Steve sez to me "Yeah, it leaks a little bit, just a minute and I'll show you how to run the gear on it". I sez "Sterevarino, tell'ya what, don't bother, I'll just leave the gear down like a 182 and we won't have to worry about ever having to manually extend it".

Anyhow, congratz!

best, randy




Thanks, Randy. Good choice, fluid on floor = keep gear down. Some guys carry canes to try to pull the mlg from in trail to locked in the event of no fluid.




How reliable do you think those downlocks are?


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nehoC hctiM
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Re: Another Practical Test [Re: Scott Dyer [HPN/NY]]
      #424032 - 04/07/16 06:42 PM

Curious,

Practice for raising flaps on a touch and go?

Open palm up?

Reason I ask, back in late 70's at Parks, I saw two 182rg have nose gear collapse due to students pulling the gear up on the go, instead of the flaps.

We changed policy to open hand to raise flaps, as the gear lever required you to pull out then up. Open palm method prevented this from happening.

Fast forward to just a couple years ago.
A cfi applicant did this, raised gear on the go and results were the same.

Funny, thirty years later same results, due to not using open palm method.

So im wondering if this procedure was ever stressed or currently being taught?

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Mase Taylor
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Re: Another Practical Test [Re: nehoC hctiM]
      #424034 - 04/07/16 06:50 PM

That does seem to say don't do touch-and-goes with complex aircraft....plenty to do with throttle, trim, flaps, carb heat, prop...without having to deal with the gear.

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Scott Dyer [HPN/NY]
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Re: Another Practical Test [Re: nehoC hctiM]
      #424037 - 04/07/16 07:05 PM

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Curious,

Practice for raising flaps on a touch and go

Open palm up?

Reason I ask, back in late 70's at Parks, I saw two 182rg have nose gear collapse due to students pulling the gear up on the go, instead of the flaps.

We changed policy to open hand to raise flaps, as the gear lever required you to pull out then up. Open palm method prevented this from happening.

Fast forward to just a couple years ago.
A cfi applicant did this, raised gear on the go and results were the same.

Funny, thirty years later same results, due to not using open palm method.

So im wondering if this procedure was ever stressed or currently being taught?




Mitch - At this school we didn't do touch and goes.

But, the open palm approach seems good and sound.


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Scott Dyer [HPN/NY]
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Re: Another Practical Test [Re: Cole Loftus [C89]]
      #424038 - 04/07/16 07:07 PM

Cole -- More reliable than trying to get the gear locked with no hydraulic fluid? The mechanical locks should be pretty reliable.

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Tom Charlton
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Re: Another Practical Test [Re: Scott Dyer [HPN/NY]]
      #424040 - 04/07/16 07:46 PM

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At this school we didn't do touch and goes.


Hi Scott,
I’ve long been a proponent of –no- touch’n goes in general aviation for a number of reasons.
* Felt it was better for the student to assimilate more from each complete take off and each complete landing then to be able to put a bigger number in the students’ log.
* The taxi back time has good value for discussion/critique of the preceding approach and landing. Good time for the instructor to take controls and do the taxi-back so student can better assimilate critique.
* Don’t have any touch and go accident statistics but seems higher risk to no good end.
* A touch and go is a non-standard maneuver not used for any purposeful flying that I’m aware of.

Perhaps a case can be made in a mil or air carrier training environment?

Regards,
Tom Charlton

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Randy Sohn
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Re: Another Practical Test [Re: Tom Charlton]
      #424042 - 04/07/16 08:15 PM

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Perhaps a case can be made in a mil or air carrier training environment?




Tomasina, every student is different/has different needs, the IP needs to consider this (whether G/A or whatever).

best, randy


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