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Geoff Sjostrom - Chicago
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Evaluation Syllabus for pilot potential [Re: nehoC hctiM]
      #391735 - 06/06/14 11:42 AM

If your series of tests comes out negative, will he take your advice and drop
the idea (or pursue flying in a more practical way)? If not, it will be a
waste of time and resources.

Geoff


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Randy Sohn
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Re: Evaluation Syllabus for pilot potential [Re: Andy Alson (HPN/NY)]
      #391736 - 06/06/14 11:47 AM

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Tell him to make his money elsewhere and fly for fun.




Considering the current outlook I'd sure drink to that!

best, randy


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nehoC hctiM
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Re: Evaluation Syllabus for pilot potential [Re: Randy Sohn]
      #391737 - 06/06/14 12:02 PM

Remember, this generation hasn't been blessed with college job fairs where companies just attempt to sign you up right there.

Economy has been tough.

Sure, the job had dues to be paid, but once you knock our the basics, building time usually pays you, not you paying for same.

We may finally see some shifting from the pathetic first year pay scales regional airlines offer soon.

Bottom line, if you ain't lovin what your doing, you are in the wrong business.

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USA Today said, people over 50 are calmer.


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nehoC hctiM
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Re: Evaluation Syllabus for pilot potential [Re: Geoff Sjostrom - Chicago]
      #391738 - 06/06/14 12:05 PM

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If your series of tests comes out negative, will he take your advice and drop
the idea (or pursue flying in a more practical way)? If not, it will be a
waste of time and resources.

Geoff




That remains to be seen.
Self awareness will be key.
If he loves every second of it, then it might just be the direction he needs. If boredom sets in quickly, then he may realize he doesn't fit this profession and seek alternatives.

All jobs have periods of boredom.
When I was 16 and pursuing this profession, I thought at that time that after 6 months I'd probably be bored in the cockpit.
It has been 14 years and I rarely get bored and still learn new things often. Attitude is key.

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Bill Bridges - 9S1
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Re: Evaluation Syllabus for pilot potential [Re: nehoC hctiM]
      #391739 - 06/06/14 12:21 PM

Mitch,

You mentioned that he was into video games. I'm a little surprised he has not found FSX if he is serious about being a commercial pilot. A lot of the folks I fly on-line with are professional pilots. They seem to indicate that a lot of the new aircraft (PMDG B737),the new weather engines (ASN), and sceneries make the flying extremely accurate. If you haven't, you might want to look at my posts in the Flight Simulation section.

the other bill


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nehoC hctiM
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Re: Evaluation Syllabus for pilot potential [Re: Bill Bridges - 9S1]
      #391740 - 06/06/14 12:31 PM

Thanks Bill.

Will pass the info along.

Mitch

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sreyoB yrraL
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Re: Evaluation Syllabus for pilot potential [Re: nehoC hctiM]
      #391745 - 06/06/14 03:00 PM

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When I was 16 and pursuing this profession...
It has been 14 years...



That's strange... I coulda sworn that you were older than 30? :)


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Richard Duxbury (Dux)
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Re: Evaluation Syllabus for pilot potential [Re: Ralph Jones]
      #391750 - 06/06/14 03:53 PM

Ya, the MMPI.

I was a psych major as an undergrad at U of Minnesota. Mostly statistical psych and not clinical. Thus the classes were oriented toward personnel management, advertising, business uses, etc. The MMPI was one of the first long test that used multiple correlations for each question to a variety of personality behaviors.

Likely more valuable than that 15-20 minutes in a clinical shrink office in Atlanta with Delta (now long since gone I'm sure).

Should be at BP's tomorrow -also the outdoor Delta MSP picnic -but rain could slow that down. Still, free popcorn, brats, and even beer. Donald Nyrop must be turning in his grave -and perhaps even doors on the bathroom stalls?

Regards,

Dux -did my MS paper on a statistical analysis of about 12 variables that related to a USN pilot finally getting (well then) his wings. (George Washington U, DCA 1966) The Aviation Aptitude test was one -and then some other stuff like peer group rankings, speed over the challenge course, scores on the trampoline, -much like the MMPI with a rho for each item and whether it was good at least the 5% level. Thus some were better predictors than others -and some had no correlations.


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Gil Buettner [KAUW]
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Re: Evaluation Syllabus for pilot potential [Re: nehoC hctiM]
      #391754 - 06/06/14 06:55 PM

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Exposing him to some typical training and a few phases of flying was my goal, to determine if he has the right stuff and won't bore of the training and hours required to get the typical progression of jobs while gaining the required experience to become an airline or full time corporate pilot.

Hoping this clears it up and looking forward to your thoughts.

Mitch




My job is about 80 percent primary training. We always tell the newbies that there is a lot of information so the early lessons are by necessity, brief, to avoid information overload. You've probably heard it called "drinking from a fire hose." Typical first few lessons are 45 minutes or so in the air. We want to send them home wanting to return for more.

It seems to me that you may overwhelm him with that much in one day, and he may think the mountain is insurmountable. But if you position it right so he knows what he is getting is far different from what most folks get for an introduction, and he is willing to subject himself to such a confidence course, well... let us know how it works.

Maybe you are about to introduce a new way of doing things.

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Russell Holton
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Re: Evaluation Syllabus for pilot potential [Re: Gil Buettner [KAUW]]
      #391759 - 06/06/14 08:12 PM

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It seems to me that you may overwhelm him with that much in one day, and he may think the mountain is insurmountable.




Ah, reminds me of when I was back in grade school and got a look at the next higher grade's math book. Scary. But that's because I hadn't been built to that level.


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