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Jay Alson
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Re: First Time Gliding [Re: Ray Tackett]
      #249167 - 05/27/09 08:28 PM

Ray, yeah I did notice the sensitivity of turning and the rudder. I kept hearing "keep the bank...center the string" from my instructor while trying to stay in the thermals. I think I made him nervous <G>

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Jay Alson
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Re: First Time Gliding [Re: Scott Dyer [HPN/NY]]
      #249172 - 05/27/09 09:13 PM

Scott, yep he flies both. I didn't ask him which one he likes more.

I didn't get the actual winds aloft before we flew. Our preflight check (with no radios) was just looking at the wind sock, which was showing light winds on the ground both times. The lift by the ridges must have picked up because we got up past 4,000 ft the 2nd flight, showing 300fpm ascents.

According to wunderground.com, looks like the winds in Wurtsboro around the time I was flying were about 10mph.

Jay


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Jay Alson
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Re: First Time Gliding [Re: Tom Tyson [SUW]]
      #249173 - 05/27/09 09:25 PM

Thanks, Tom. Yeah I'd like to try one of those. That's what I thought I'd be flying in when I first thought of trying gliding.

I did find myself looking for possible landing fields a lot more flying gliders and I wasn't even going cross country.

Got any off field landing stories?


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Anne Umphrey (KBED)
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Re: First Time Gliding [Re: Jay Alson]
      #249177 - 05/27/09 09:34 PM

I've heard rumors about one or two.......

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You haven't seen a tree until you've seen its shadow from the sky.
- Amelia Earhart, 1897 - 1937


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Scott Dyer [HPN/NY]
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Re: First Time Gliding [Re: Jay Alson]
      #249179 - 05/27/09 09:40 PM

Jay -- Be careful there. One guy I know told me that he got into an
inadvertent spin in a glider once.......




<G>

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Ralph Jones
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Re: First Time Gliding [Re: Jay Alson]
      #249180 - 05/27/09 09:46 PM

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Got any off field landing stories?




Tom Tyson, Tony Condon and I have a few, but we can't top Jim Foreman -- a former Avsigger and the best tow pilot who ever launched me. His masterpiece, for your reading pleasure:

http://www.jimforeman.com/Stories/outland.htm

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Jay Alson
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Re: First Time Gliding [Re: Scott Dyer [HPN/NY]]
      #249181 - 05/27/09 09:52 PM

Yeah, low altitude and no power is not something you want to do uncoordinated. Solomon's tone of voice said it all.

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Jay Alson
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Re: First Time Gliding [Re: Ralph Jones]
      #249185 - 05/27/09 10:35 PM

Thanks, Ralph. Great story. Quite the place to land!!!

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Mike Stramba CNC3
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Re: First Time Gliding [Re: Jay Alson]
      #249331 - 05/29/09 11:11 AM

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Ray, yeah I did notice the sensitivity of turning and the rudder. I kept hearing "keep the bank...center the string" from my instructor while trying to stay in the thermals. I think I made him nervous <G>




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Bill, still thinking about it. I bought the logbook and glider training book so we'll see.

>> A "sail-pig", just like the one I learned in.

Sounds like this is one of the main training gliders. My instructor said it was more forgiving than the other options.
Jay




re: "forgiving",

The web site http://www.wurtsboroairport.com/instruction.cfm doesn't quote different rates for the ASK-21 .. is that the glider you initially wanted to fly?

I also did my glider rating in the "sail-pig".

Like you, the "look" of the "classic glider" (like the Ask), is what I had in mind when I was thinking about taking up gliding / soaring, not the "metal truck" ;)

I did transition to an I-26, which has slightly better performance, and also had a brief flight in a "real" glider (Grob 103). The Grob was very nice, it had great visibility from the cockpit (low sides, lots of canopy ) ... and a decent sink rate ! ... We went up on a "marginal" soaring day, late in the afternoon, yet were still easily able to venture ~6 miles from the airport.


On the other hand I had a flight in another two seater metal glider (don't remember the make ... Lark ??), that had very high "sidewalls", and a small canopy. I hated it, was very claustrophobic.

Even in the "pig", it was a thrill when I hit my first thermal, and to be climbing at ~400 f.p.m without an engine :)

Mike

Edited by Mike Stramba CNC3 (05/29/09 11:14 AM)


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Mike Stramba CNC3
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Re: First Time Gliding [Re: Jay Alson]
      #249333 - 05/29/09 11:19 AM

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Yeah, low altitude and no power is not something you want to do uncoordinated. Solomon's tone of voice said it all.




Yes, generally never a good idea.

But, .. the "pig" is almost impossible to spin. We tried it at altitude, and it just wouldn't do it, no matter how extreme the control inputs.

My spin training was done in I-34, and that plane WILL spin !

So if you ever had some kind of control failure / unusual situation, it's nice to know the particular plane's characteristics.

Mike

Edited by Mike Stramba CNC3 (05/29/09 11:20 AM)


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