AVSIG: Student Pilot - Landing Problems wwswsigarch.jpg (7236 bytes)

✈ . . . . . . ✈ . . . . . ✈ . . . . ✈ . . . ✈ . . ✈ . ✈ . . ✈ . . . ✈ . . . . ✈ . . . . . ✈ . . . . . . Touch-and-Go to our Live Forum (This is a Read-only Archive of the 2004-2017 AVSIG Forum)


AVSIG Discussion Sections >> Training & Proficiency

Pages: 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13 | >> (show all)
sreyoB yrraL
AVSIG Member


Reged: 05/16/04
Posts: 9442
Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems [Re: Roger Ferrer]
      #248411 - 05/22/09 01:17 PM

Roger,

What I was looking for was the number of landings that you'd done, not the flight time, but with about 10 hours of total time I can tell that you're right where you should be. I wanted the number of landings as I always found that the landings seemed to come together at around the 75 landing point. I wouldn't get too concerned about it until you're well over 100 and still not landing on your own.


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
Roger Ferrer
Public Guest


Reged: 04/29/09
Posts: 22
Loc: Maryland, Harford
Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems [Re: sreyoB yrraL]
      #248420 - 05/22/09 02:04 PM

"My final landing on my private pilot checkride involved two go-arounds. There was a gusty crosswind plus "checkride nerves" which led to "arrivals" I did not want to finish. Each time, the examiner praised my judgement for going around. The landing I completed was a perfect textbook demonstration of a crosswind landing"

Good point Ray! For some reason until now I never thought about GO around as an option even though I saw people doing that. I'll keep that in mind. It's better to cautious than sorry. :-)

"I wanted the number of landings as I always found that the landings seemed to come together at around the 75 landing point. I wouldn't get too concerned about it until you're well over 100 and still not landing on your own"

You are making me feel better sreyoB. I'll keep those numbers in mind.

Thanks,

Roger


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
sreyoB yrraL
AVSIG Member


Reged: 05/16/04
Posts: 9442
Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems [Re: Roger Ferrer]
      #248424 - 05/22/09 02:16 PM

Don't focus too much on the numbers, they're just a rough average. Use them just to understand that a student with 30 or 40 landings isn't going to be making smooth touchdowns very often.

Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
Ron Rosenfeld (EPM)
Public Guest


Reged: 04/28/04
Posts: 2772
Loc: Maine
Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems [Re: Roger Ferrer]
      #248431 - 05/22/09 03:16 PM

<... until now I never thought about GO around as an option >>

I'm not sure about now, as I'm not an instructor, but certainly with
experience you will (should) find that **landing** is the option. You should
**always** be ready to do a go-around. If, perchance, things seem to look
OK, then go ahead and land.

--------------------
--ron


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
Bill Bridges - 9S1
Top Gun


Reged: 05/17/04
Posts: 6008
Loc: 9S1
Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems [Re: sreyoB yrraL]
      #248435 - 05/22/09 03:35 PM

Quote:

Don't focus too much on the numbers, they're just a rough average. Use them just to understand that a student with 30 or 40 landings isn't going to be making smooth touchdowns very often.






I agree. When I soloed I had 9.1 hours, 22 landings, and it was my 11th day of training. One advantage I had was I was flying everyday. All my landings were power off and full flaps to short fields so my sight picture tended to be much more in front of me. I did not get really comfortable and proficient until close to 40 hours and maybe 100 landings(primary checkride).

Bill


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
Dan Barclay [ORG]
Top Gun


Reged: 05/06/04
Posts: 4492
Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems [Re: Roger Ferrer]
      #248442 - 05/22/09 04:21 PM

Roger,

>> I'll keep those numbers in mind.

As Larry said, forget the numbers and quit trying to meet them. Fly the
airplane.

You're about the same age I was when I started flying (I was 47). In talking
with a number of instructors since then I find that they see us "older" guys
over-analyzing things and I was certainly guilty of that.

My daughter just got in the airplane and flew it.

Get the airplane close to the ground (below the definition of "too high")
THEN look at the far end of the runway.

Point the airplane down the runway with the rudders and apply enough
backpressure to keep from touching down but not enough to climb.

When the nose comes up "just enough" (you'll hafta figure that part out) then
hold it there (just quit pulling back, that's all).

You do not need to land the airplane, it will just happen.

Relax, enjoy yourself.

Dan


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
Ray Tackett
Top Gun


Reged: 04/30/04
Posts: 8892
Loc: Philadelphia, USA
Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems [Re: Roger Ferrer]
      #248444 - 05/22/09 04:27 PM

Roger,

As another has already said, at 9.8 hours, you are having the trouble you
should at the moment. I'd like to see more slow flight and stall practice
before landing attempts in general, but that must be adapted to each
individual student. Your instructor is the only one who has actually been in
an airplane with you, so his/her estimate must prevail.

Ray

--------------------
Ray,

Owner, Lake Wood Be Gone

Turning quality lumber into sawdust and noise since 2013.


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
Tina Gonsalves (7B6)
Top Gun


Reged: 08/31/01
Posts: 1843
Loc: Connecticut
Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems [Re: Scott Dyer [HPN/NY]]
      #248471 - 05/22/09 07:37 PM

Hey, Mike is the one who got me started...!!! <g>

Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
Mike Campos [CA]
Top Gun


Reged: 09/01/01
Posts: 1256
Loc: Mission Viejo, CA
Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems [Re: Roger Ferrer]
      #248476 - 05/22/09 08:39 PM

Hi Roger,

I am glad you joined, you can see I was right that you will get a lot of good advise and support from the good bunch here.

When I started training I went through some rough bouts of motion sickness, I almost quit, but the kind words and advise I received here kept me going, also I had the same problems you are having with landing and the tips helped a lot. Stop beating yourself, you'll get it sooner or later.

Once in a while you may want to just go up for a fun flight; for my first night flight my instructor asked me what I wanted to do, I told him I wanted to relax and take the Hudson River tour; what a night! <g>.


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
Roger Ferrer
Public Guest


Reged: 04/29/09
Posts: 22
Loc: Maryland, Harford
Re: Student Pilot - Landing Problems [Re: Mike Campos [CA]]
      #248545 - 05/23/09 07:31 AM

Good morning guys,

Hey, I got so much of good feedback here that I don't know where to start but let's start with a big THANK YOU ALL!.

Yesterday was a better day for me. Practiced some slow flights with the instructor and then we practiced some TOLís on one of the grass rwys that we have at 0W3.

I am sure the grass makes a difference but guess whatÖ.my 3 landings were really smooth!!! Yupi!! ;-)
The first time the instructor corrected my pitch turning to base and to final. I realized that all this time I had the tendency to leave the nose of the plain pointing a little upward among other mistakes.

You probably wonít believe it but I had time enough to put together in my mind couple of suggestions I got from you guys such as get closer to the ground, level off slowly, look at the end of the runway and let the plain sink while pulling the yoke to my chest slowly and hold it. It was a great feeling. Today I am trying on the other rwys with another instructor since the one I flew with yesterday is going to Ocean City (beach resort).

On another note, Floridaís weather is beautiful but the economy there went down the hill like in many other parts of the country and I convinced my brother to move with me and pursue some new opportunities in the area. Anyway, he will have his discovery flight with me today. :-)
I hope I donít scare the heck out of him.

Hey Tina, Mike mentioned to me how well you have been doing with your flying experience and I am very happy for you.

Dan, I am glad you mentioned that you started flying when you were about my age and you are right, we have the tendency to over analyze. For example, I even did some research about Daniel Bernoulli while trying to learn the basics:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Bernoulli

Itís amazing and sad what happened between Daniel and his dad who was also a brilliant mathematician.

Anyway, I kind of had the feeling that I was too old to get into this adventure but that's history now. Flying is a unique experience.

I saw Terry yesterday, the pilot who ran out of fuel and I didnít want to interrogate him about the incident since he is probably tired of giving people the full story but he is in good spirit and physically well. He was busy writing some kind of report for NTSB with the help of one of the instructors. He'll be just fine.

Mike you were 100% right, we have a good team here.

Have a nice Memorial weekend everybody and Iíll catch with you all later!


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
Pages: 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13 | >> (show all)



Extra information
0 registered and 35 anonymous users are browsing this forum.

Moderator:  Mike Overly 

Print Topic

Forum Permissions
      You cannot start new topics
      You cannot reply to topics
      HTML is disabled
      UBBCode is enabled

Rating:
Topic views: 65152

Rate this topic

Jump to

Contact Us AVSIG

Powered by UBB.threads™ 6.5.5

Logout   Main Index    AVSIG Aviation Forum