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Steve Stombaugh (IND)
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Re: 709 letter [Re: Ray Tackett]
      #415710 - 09/23/15 09:19 PM

Quote:

emphasis was on remedial education rather than
punishment. .


That is the aim of a 'good' fed. It may sound cliche, but anyone I come into contact with, in those situations, I just want them to end safer than when we started.

Come October 1, there is a change in policy. Before 'compliance and enforcement' was one phrase, now the idea is 'try for compliance, use enforcement if necessary'. We in the trenches are hoping it works.


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Rick Cremer
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Re: 709 letter [Re: Ray Tackett]
      #416698 - 10/15/15 04:12 PM

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To your primary question, I have never seen a DPE do a 709 ride.




Coming on the conversation late but the answer to the question as to whether a DPE can give a 49 USC 44709 reexamination the answer is no. The FAA does that. See;

Flight Standards Information Manual

VOLUME 5 AIRMAN CERTIFICATION
CHAPTER 7 REEXAMINATION OF AN AIRMAN
Section 1 Conduct a Reexamination Test of an Airman Under Title 49 of the United States Code

FSIM 5-1422 INSPECTOR QUALIFICATIONS. Inspectors must be qualified in the aircraft. An inspector conducting a reexamination test shall hold the same aircraft category and class ratings that the airman is being tested on. A Designated Pilot Examiner (DPE) shall not conduct a reexamination test.

http://fsims.faa.gov/WDocs/8900.1/V05%20Airman%20Cert/Chapter%2007/05_007_001Rev1.htm


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Rick Cremer
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Re: 709 letter [Re: Steve Stombaugh (IND)]
      #416700 - 10/15/15 04:16 PM




Disclaimer - I'm not answering on behalf of the FAA..... 8-)




Good thing too... ;-)

Best

Rick Cremer

FAA Aviation Safety Inspector (Ops and AWS) (Ret.)
ATP DC-9
CFI
GI
A&P Mechanic
Aircraft Dispatcher
Air Traffic Controller


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Ray Tackett
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709 letter [Re: Rick Cremer]
      #416707 - 10/15/15 05:46 PM

Thanks for the regulatory, Rick.

The folks I knew at PHL FSDO were dedicated professionals who were interested
enough to see issues through to the end. I could't imagine them delegating a
709 ride or a CFI initial ride. In the latter case, they wanted personal
acquaintance with all the CFIs in the area.

Re 709s, the inspector who had the case always knew it cold without reference
to the contents of a file.

--------------------
Ray,

Owner, Lake Wood Be Gone

Turning quality lumber into sawdust and noise since 2013.


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John Gaitskill, 0A7
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Re: 709 letter [Re: Steve Stombaugh (IND)]
      #417648 - 11/07/15 10:26 PM

spoke to a helicopter pilot recently who was sent a 709 letter following an accident, but the FSDO can't schedule anything because they can't find an inspector who is qualified.

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Gil Buettner [KAUW]
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Re: 709 letter [Re: John Gaitskill, 0A7]
      #417680 - 11/08/15 08:39 PM

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spoke to a helicopter pilot recently who was sent a 709 letter following an accident, but the FSDO can't schedule anything because they can't find an inspector who is qualified.




Similar deal here a couple of years ago. Local guy ground-looped his Cessna 180, needed a 709 ride, but the FSDO had no one qualified. Our manager/chief pilot checked out the FSDO inspector before the ride, and the guy passed, but there was some advice about probably needing more dual experience...

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-Gil


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nehoC hctiM
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Re: 709 letter [Re: John Gaitskill, 0A7]
      #417742 - 11/10/15 02:27 PM

Quote:

spoke to a helicopter pilot recently who was sent a 709 letter following an accident, but the FSDO can't schedule anything because they can't find an inspector who is qualified.




The waiting is the hardest part.

Song that goes like that.

Extra penalty if you can't fly solo till your 709 ride????

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USA Today said, people over 50 are calmer.


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Mase Taylor
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Re: 709 letter [Re: Gil Buettner [KAUW]]
      #417743 - 11/10/15 02:32 PM

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Our manager/chief pilot checked out the FSDO inspector before the ride, and the guy passed, but there was some advice about probably needing more dual experience...




More dual for the pilot, or for the FSDO guy? <G>

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Fly The Airplane As Far Into The Crash As Possible. - Bob Hoover 1922-2016 R.I.P.


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Gil Buettner [KAUW]
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Re: 709 letter [Re: Mase Taylor]
      #417836 - 11/13/15 09:05 PM

Quote:

Quote:

Our manager/chief pilot checked out the FSDO inspector before the ride, and the guy passed, but there was some advice about probably needing more dual experience...




More dual for the pilot, or for the FSDO guy? <G>




For the pilot, and to his credit, I don't think he has flown alone since that time, a few years ago.

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-Gil


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Steve Stombaugh (IND)
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Re: 709 letter [Re: John Gaitskill, 0A7]
      #417871 - 11/15/15 07:08 PM

Not surprising. There was a BIG backlog in getting new inspectors trained.

There is so much i could say about working for you all.... but I'll smile and nod.


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