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Rick Cremer
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Re: Drone/Unmanned [Re: Scott Dunham (RDU)]
      #387706 - 03/08/14 05:20 PM

Quote:

Suppose the FAA will be removing their busted myth-busting link from their home page soon?




My guess is no.

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Scott Dunham (RDU)
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Re: Drone/Unmanned [Re: Rick Cremer]
      #387708 - 03/08/14 05:33 PM

>> But they are still subject to Federal (FAA) regulation.

Well, they might be depending on the outcome of a heretofore non-existent rulemaking process - but the ALJ's observation was that they're not subject to regulation until appropriate regulations exist, and that doesn't happen with either an AC or a "policy statement." Essentially, I think his view seemed to be that if the FAA wants to regulate, regulate away - but do it right, don't just make unenforceable assertions.


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Scott Dyer [HPN/NY]
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Re: Drone/Unmanned [Re: Scott Dunham (RDU)]
      #387721 - 03/08/14 09:30 PM

Scott -- FAA.GOV says that the agency has filed a notice of appeal (they'd like to lose at the NTSB level, I guess).

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Reams Goodloe
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Re: Drone/Unmanned [Re: Scott Dyer [HPN/NY]]
      #387771 - 03/09/14 06:08 PM

>>the agency has filed a notice of appeal<<

Your tax dollars NOT at work on both sides of that...

The ALJ's decision pointed out rather clearly the deficiencies of their argument, given the statutory language and the agency's own past practices in interpreting the language of their own regs....

More importantly, have they filed a NPRM - Notice of Proposed Rulemaking ???

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Paul Millner [OAK]
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Re: Drone/Unmanned [Re: Rick Cremer]
      #387814 - 03/10/14 04:32 PM

>> Another example is the SAFE, EFFICIENT USE, AND PRESERVATION OF THE NAVIGABLE AIRSPACE as defined in Part 77. Want to build a 100 foot tower near an airport. The FAA regulates that too.

Hi Rick,

I thought the FAA mighty make a finding of threat to air safety, but the actual regulating came from whomever the competent building authority might be?

If the locals are indolent, what power does the FAA have to stop a building at the end of the runway?

Paul


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Scott Dyer [HPN/NY]
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Re: Drone/Unmanned [Re: Paul Millner [OAK]]
      #387815 - 03/10/14 05:14 PM

Paul -- Move away from the airport environment and the situation becomes clearer as to the FAA's lack of regulations covering from the dirt up: Cell towers can generally be built up to 200' AGL with no FAA approval or required comment. FAA doesn't even know where they all are.

This poses a practical problem with IFR MVA requirements. We're losing a cardinal altitude of 2,000' in northern NJ due to the new "assumed obstacle" rules, as there may be towers up to 200' AGL on ridge lines, and that 200' makes all the difference to MVA setting. This compresses traffic and is causing some headaches as it starts to be implemented (going higher isn't an option due to EWR/TEB inbounds).

Some localities are agreeing voluntarily to let FAA know about current or new towers but otherwise....it isn't picked up in the current regulatory environment.


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Reams Goodloe
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Re: Drone/Unmanned [Re: Scott Dyer [HPN/NY]]
      #387830 - 03/10/14 08:18 PM

Scott -

Some interesting photos of mid-air and near mid-air collisions between aircraft and drones, here:

http://cryptome.org/2014/03/drone-journalism.pdf

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Russell Holton
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Re: Drone/Unmanned [Re: Reams Goodloe]
      #387831 - 03/10/14 09:15 PM

Quote:

http://cryptome.org/2014/03/drone-journalism.pdf




Looks like quite a write-up. And hopefully deals with the different issues between an automated flying object and a glorified R/C toy.


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Scott Dyer [HPN/NY]
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Re: Drone/Unmanned [Re: Reams Goodloe]
      #387832 - 03/10/14 09:37 PM

Thanks, Reams. Instead of shooting chickens into turbofans, they'll have to shoot drones now.

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