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Scott Dyer [HPN/NY]
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Drone/Unmanned
      #387503 - 03/04/14 10:01 PM

There was a discussion in recent weeks in which Scott Dunham mentioned that the FAA seems to be without regulatory authority for some of the regulation that it seeks to apply to drone use.

Here's a web page that fancies itself as busting the myths that the FAA is propagating on this subject as the FAA attempts to bust myths....

http://dronelawjournal.com/busting-the-faas-myth-busting-document/


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Ward Miller POU-NY
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Drone/Unmanned [Re: Scott Dyer [HPN/NY]]
      #387508 - 03/05/14 06:12 AM

Scott, I'm reminded of David and Goliath. This guys seems to have done his
homework -- and the FAA, not.

My dad was quite a sight to see with the sling shot. Not the forked-type
with rubber hands, but the long string, doubled, with a leather pouch at the
fold and one string end anchored to the wrist. After whirling it over head
several times, he would let go of one end of the string and a small rock
would pop out of the leather, a frightful missile. He could knock a bird off
a tree limb.

I wonder if the FAA can hear the windup whirl of the string over head?


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Rod Madsen (RDU)
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Reged: 04/29/04
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Re: Drone/Unmanned [Re: Ward Miller POU-NY]
      #387511 - 03/05/14 10:05 AM

Quote:

he would let go of one end of the string and a small rock
would pop out of the leather, a frightful missile.



I can barely imagine the skill and practice that would require. Do you know anybody who can do it now?

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Ward Miller POU-NY
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Drone/Unmanned [Re: Rod Madsen (RDU)]
      #387512 - 03/05/14 10:36 AM

>> I can barely imagine the skill and practice that would require. Do you
know anybody who can do it now? <<

Rod, I've never known anyone other than my dad who could do it -- except
David, of course.

I'm sure it took many hours to perfect that skill, but back on the farm in
the late 1800's, what else did they have for entertainment? No books, no TV,
no electronic games, no tennis, no skating, no hot rods.


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Ralph Jones
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Re: Drone/Unmanned [Re: Ward Miller POU-NY]
      #387513 - 03/05/14 10:53 AM

Quote:

I'm sure it took many hours to perfect that skill, but back on the farm in the late 1800's, what else did they have for entertainment?



Exactly. If you were a shepherd, like David, you'd spend endless hours chasing off predators with a sling.

The sling was Everyman's weapon for millennia, and there were whole armies of slingers. It could deliver more range than any bow until the English longbow came along in the Middle Ages.

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Ralph Jones
LS-4a N49LS 6R


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Scott Dyer [HPN/NY]
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Re: Drone/Unmanned [Re: Ward Miller POU-NY]
      #387524 - 03/05/14 02:18 PM

Very impressive, Ward.

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Russell Holton
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Re: Drone/Unmanned [Re: Scott Dyer [HPN/NY]]
      #387526 - 03/05/14 02:23 PM

The most interesting part of this is just how low does the FAA's authority to regulate go? And just who does have authority "from the grass blades" up to the FAA's authority?

I think that's going to take a federal court or congress to answer.


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Scott Dunham (RDU)
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Re: Drone/Unmanned [Re: Russell Holton]
      #387528 - 03/05/14 03:23 PM

I suspect "grass up" is supportable. Otherwise you end up with absurd results like not being able to file careless or reckless operation if a pilot's residential buzz job is low enough.

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Ward Miller POU-NY
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Drone/Unmanned [Re: Scott Dunham (RDU)]
      #387534 - 03/05/14 04:25 PM

>> I suspect "grass up" is supportable. <<

Scott, I've looked and can't find that. Can you point me to the reference?
I know it makes sense, but just where is it specifically stated?

That is the whole point of Peter Sach's article. The FAA is making a bunch
of grandiose claims, but has not support them with reference to specific
laws, regulations, case law, etc.


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Ralph Jones
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Re: Drone/Unmanned [Re: Ward Miller POU-NY]
      #387535 - 03/05/14 05:01 PM

Might have to read through the many iterations of the Air Commerce Act: that's the ultimate source of authority for the FAA.

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Ralph Jones
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