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Bill Bridges - 9S1
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Re: FAA Administrator DUI [Re: Scott Dunham (RDU)]
      #330655 - 12/09/11 05:58 PM

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I'm pretty sure he wouldn't want to take the pay cut - I'll bet he makes a lot more giving occasional speeches than the Administrator makes for putting up with %&^^$ all year.




I can't imagine anyone wanting to get involved with some of the political hot bed issues coming up?

the other bill


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B. Butler (Oregonian)
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Re: FAA Administrator DUI [Re: Ralph Jones]
      #330659 - 12/09/11 06:42 PM

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I've seen a petition floated on Usenet.




What a thoroughly silly idea. Heroism has very little to do with organizational effectiveness.

I was once on the selection panel for a managerial position; one of the candidates was a former airline captain. When asked about his management experience, he asserted cluelessly: "I've spent many years managing the airplane."

<d&r, no g>

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Ralph Jones
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Re: FAA Administrator DUI [Re: B. Butler (Oregonian)]
      #330662 - 12/09/11 07:16 PM

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What a thoroughly silly idea.




You did notice I said "Usenet"...;-)

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Joe Budge (W29)
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Re: FAA Administrator DUI [Re: Tony Williams [MYF]]
      #330664 - 12/09/11 07:20 PM

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Anybody heard about the effort to get Sully as FAA-1 ?




What has Sully done to deserve that punishment?

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Joe


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Ray Tackett
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FAA Administrator DUI [Re: B. Butler (Oregonian)]
      #330666 - 12/09/11 07:53 PM

Bill,

>>> Heroism has very little to do with organizational effectiveness.

True as far as it goes, and Sully might well not have the political skill or
the will for the job. However, as PIC in The Situation, a substantial
component of what we call "heroism" was, indeed, organizational
effectiveness, a/k/a CRM.

That said, the CRM in that case was a short "sprint", not years in office. A
sprinter and a marathon runner are seldom the same person.

I give Sully high marks for getting it right in a pinch within the area of
his expertise. Other skills come into play as FAA Administrator.

One place I worked for more than a decade thought (as many did then) that the
way to reward a great techie was to make him a manager. It was a career
killer. Fortunately, I had done a short, nasty stretch as a fast food
restaurant manager and knew I should avoid that trap.

I'll bet Sully is smart enough to know and respect his limitations.

Ray

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Mase Taylor
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Re: FAA Administrator DUI [Re: Ray Tackett]
      #330680 - 12/09/11 10:02 PM

Yep, I will testify that being a top-notch ticket agent, bag smasher, A&P, lav servicer, or airplane cleaner is a poor predictor of management performance.

One great difficulty that I recognized in myself and that would have really handicapped my management career was my tendency to want to "do it myself." No one will ever learn the job if you do it for them, they won't grow, and you won't have enough time to do it all and your own job too. I had to learn to teach, observe, monitor, delegate, and follow up. IMO THOSE are the things that make a good start at being a good manager.

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Ray Tackett
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FAA Administrator DUI [Re: Mase Taylor]
      #330697 - 12/10/11 04:06 AM

Mase,

That was as far as I ever got as a manager. IMO all the things you mentioned
are leadership. I can do those with most anyone more mature than a teenage
burger flipper. Where I fail completely is budgeting, forecasting, needless
paperwork, and corporate politics.

Ray

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Scott Dunham (RDU)
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Re: FAA Administrator DUI [Re: Bill Bridges - 9S1]
      #330706 - 12/10/11 07:15 AM

>> political hot-bed issues...

That's the thing - an airline pilot is kind of used to having people like their friendly FO do what they're told. Put that same person in charge of the FAA and it gets a little more difficult because there are constraints in all directions. Your overseers (Congress, DOT, the general public, and indirectly, the aviation industry...operators, manufacturers, etc) are ALWAYS on your case about something or other, and the rest of your organization has its own constraints and limitations to deal with. Just issuing direction doesn't necessarily make it happen, and that can be frustrating. For example, the FAA occasionally hires General Somebody-or-Other out of the military to come in as a high-level manager. They don't have an easy time making the transition, and may not even last more than a short time before seeking greener pastures.

So yeah - "Draft Sully" seems like an appealing idea, but without the skills to navigate the Bureaucratic School of Hard Knocks I don't think he would enjoy the experience. As Mr. Babbitt has shown, it's easy to go from hero to zero quite quickly. (And speaking of bureaucratic skills, letting LaHood find out about the DUI bust from the cops two days after it occurred was a career-limiting move all by itself. Having that occur while Mr. Babbitt was out flying an FAA airplane was just frosting...)


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Bill Bridges - 9S1
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Re: FAA Administrator DUI [Re: Ray Tackett]
      #330718 - 12/10/11 11:10 AM

Ray,

The hardest thing for me as a manager was having to terminate employees. I always tried to run my staffs a little lean to avoid such things, but sometimes there are things that a manager can not control. I always handled it myself. :(

the other bill


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Terry Carraway
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Re: FAA Administrator DUI [Re: Scott Dunham (RDU)]
      #330728 - 12/10/11 12:48 PM

Yeah, I think a high level gov job is worse than a high level civilian job.

Too many masters. And the inability to get rid of those who do not perform or are even opening hostile/obstrutive.

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