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Frank Van Haste [VKX]
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Bonanza with flares?
      #438317 - 05/02/17 09:24 PM

So there I was, at the entry to the Milestones of Flight gallery at the Nat'l Air & Space Museum, when a visitor asked me what were the two tubes emerging from the bottom of the Spirit of St. Louis's fuselage.

Easy. Flare tubes installed by CAL after the transatlantic flight, due to a couple of chancey landings on the
subsequent "good will" tours.

Here's the interesting part. One of the visitors said that he knew an owner of an early V-tail Bonanza who had flares installed as a factory option! Switches on the panel and all that.

Does anyone here recall flares as a factory option (or an STC?) on V-tails back in the day?

FVH


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Randy Sohn
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Reged: 08/31/01
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Re: Bonanza with flares? [Re: Frank Van Haste [VKX]]
      #438318 - 05/02/17 09:43 PM

Quote:

anyone here recall flares as a factory option (or an STC?) on V-tails




Sure. IIRC, all the 35s and meb'be the A-35s and B-35s had the flare tubes on the aft fuselage near the step.

best, randy


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Scott Dyer [HPN/NY]
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Re: Bonanza with flares? [Re: Frank Van Haste [VKX]]
      #438320 - 05/03/17 12:01 AM

Frank - Yes, I've seen 'em.

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Scott Perdue (50F)
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Re: Bonanza with flares? [Re: Scott Dyer [HPN/NY]]
      #438326 - 05/03/17 08:32 AM

Yep, had flares as an option. The C-182A my daughter has had the option installed... guts removed now.

It's for those night landings when you need to light the runway yourself. Gotta say that those pilots where better night flyers than I... being able to find the ends of the runway at night and puke out a flare to mark it.

Interesting!

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Terry Carraway
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Reged: 06/02/04
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Re: Bonanza with flares? [Re: Scott Perdue (50F)]
      #438327 - 05/03/17 09:00 AM

Quote:

Yep, had flares as an option. The C-182A my daughter has had the option installed... guts removed now.

It's for those night landings when you need to light the runway yourself. Gotta say that those pilots where better night flyers than I... being able to find the ends of the runway at night and puke out a flare to mark it.

Interesting!




One evening, many years ago, a couple of plane loads of us left 0W3 for New Castle for dinner.

Upon returning, we could not get the PCL lighting to light.

So, not wanting to have to figure out how to get from a far away airport, back to where our car was, I took over flying the Tri Pacer we were in.

I used know ground references, and the landing light to make a couple of passes, to get things in properspective, then landing, no fuss.

We taxied to the far end, and turned around, to light the runway for the other aircraft, which had an inop landing light.

But knowing the airport and the environment around it was CRUCIAL.

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Ralph Jones
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Re: Bonanza with flares? [Re: Randy Sohn]
      #438328 - 05/03/17 09:11 AM

IIRC, the old CAA required them on singles flown commercially at night.

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Ralph Jones
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Tom Charlton
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Reged: 04/28/04
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Re: Bonanza with flares? [Re: Frank Van Haste [VKX]]
      #438330 - 05/03/17 10:05 AM

Quote:

flares as a factory option (or an STC?) on V-tails back in the day?


Hi Frank,
I do recall seeing the remnants of flare tubes on older Bonanas. Seems like there’d typically be three circles arranged vertically on the lower fuselage. About two or three inches in diameter IIRC.

Suspect it’d be challenging but obviously doable to pull off a landing depending on a parachute flare.

Hmm . . . bit of a fire hazard in dry conditions also.

Regards,
Tom Charlton

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Randy Sohn
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Re: Bonanza with flares? [Re: Ralph Jones]
      #438331 - 05/03/17 10:05 AM

Quote:

IIRC, the old CAA required them on singles flown commercially at night.




Yup, was gonna mention that for Gunny and ya'll that I was pretty sure of that fact/requirement, night charters and such seemed to be the way I recalled it out at Roy Neal's Wes-Tex A/C in LBB. Circa 1955.

best, randy


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Rick Durden
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Reged: 06/07/04
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Re: Bonanza with flares? [Re: Frank Van Haste [VKX]]
      #438339 - 05/03/17 11:25 AM

Frank,

I recall seeing flare tube openings patched over on a Bonanza and 182 - was told (don't know if it was true) the mechanisms were required to be removed because the fire hazard was far worse than the rare potential benefit to having the flares available.

Thinking back to three night landings on unlit runways over the years, Grumman Cheetah, Cessna 210 and Cessna 402. All in interesting circumstances where the safety level seemed satisfactory at the time.

No more.

Warmest regards,
Rick


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Ralph Jones
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Re: Bonanza with flares? [Re: Rick Durden]
      #438342 - 05/03/17 12:48 PM

One evening years ago I was taking a shower in the clubhouse at the old Black Forest Gliderport, when I heard an engine pass low overhead -- twice. When I came out there was a knock at the door, and a man asked where the transient parking was.

Seems he picked our field on the sectional because it was near the people he wanted to visit; couldn't raise anybody on Unicom; made a couple of passes in his 172 with the landing light on; and landed south.

For those who haven't seen that runway, from the treetops at the approach end to the far end of the pavement was about 5000 feet south and almost 200 feet down...

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Ralph Jones
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