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Bill Bridges - 9S1
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One of the Last B747-200's
      #438107 - 04/24/17 01:13 PM

Kalitta retires on of it's B747-200 freighters.

Bill


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Randy Sohn
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Re: One of the Last B747-200's [Re: Bill Bridges - 9S1]
      #438109 - 04/24/17 01:34 PM

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B747-200 freighters




Chuckle, nostalgia!

best, randy


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Bill Bridges - 9S1
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Re: One of the Last B747-200's [Re: Randy Sohn]
      #438121 - 04/24/17 07:01 PM

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B747-200 freighters




Chuckle, nostalgia!

best, randy




I remember flying around the Pacific in Pan Am "100's". I think that makes me old. :))

Bill


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Randy Sohn
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Re: One of the Last B747-200's [Re: Bill Bridges - 9S1]
      #438123 - 04/24/17 07:28 PM

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remember flying around the Pacific in Pan Am "100's"




Bill, yup, flew some of the old 100 series whales, also flew some of the 100s that we referred to as "3 holers" since they only had 3 PX windows on the upper decks. IIRC, we kept those 100s with 400 seats on the "south of Tokyo trips" because of their performance? Dux?

But then, guess we also called the 72s "3 holers" with their 3 engines. Anyhow, chuckle, days gone by!

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Bruce Gorrell [EQY]
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Re: One of the Last B747-200's [Re: Bill Bridges - 9S1]
      #438126 - 04/24/17 09:10 PM

I wonder how many hours that airplane has.

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Randy Sohn
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Re: One of the Last B747-200's [Re: Bruce Gorrell [EQY]]
      #438130 - 04/24/17 09:27 PM

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I wonder how many hours that airplane has.




Good question, I sure dunno. Do recall ferrrying an ex-Sabena Airlines DC-10 from Brussells to Seattle for Boeing once, that one had 83,000 hours on it. Sold to Nippon Micro Bearing. On those planes, guess I'd also like to know the cycles on it, thinking now of how we used to fly a 12/15 hour 747 flight, then only log 1 cycle.

When we donated N-21728 to the Henry Ford Museum in Detroit that DC-3 had 85,000 hours on it, lotta time for a Diesel 3, a two-owner, Eastern and North Central. Interesting <g> deal, they hung it up there in the museum at Dearborn with a NWA paint-job, a DC-3 with Wright engines (NWA paid for the paint job).

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Ralph Jones
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Re: One of the Last B747-200's [Re: Randy Sohn]
      #438132 - 04/24/17 11:21 PM

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When we donated N-21728 to the Henry Ford Museum in Detroit that DC-3 had 85,000 hours on it



Dunno if it was that one, but I remember reading about one that had some prodigious number of hours and an estimated 100,000 miles of taxiing <g>.

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Rick Durden
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Re: One of the Last B747-200's [Re: Ralph Jones]
      #438137 - 04/25/17 10:35 AM

Ralph,

When North Central donated the -3 to the Henry Ford, it was the highest time DC-3 in the world. Back when I was in law school I'd go to the museum - you had to look out the back windows at the -3, there was no room for it in the museum. On the typical gray Michigan day, it always looked pretty forlorn.

Once they redid the aviation portion of the museum (one of the very finest small collections in the world), the Northwest put up a bunch of money for the refurb - part of it was to bring the -3 indoors, hang it up as an entrance to the aviation section - and paint it in Northwest colors. The openings for the JATO units are still there, big as life, in the wingpits.

Some years ago I was lucky enough to get into the Fokker and Ford Trimotors that are on display. I was interested to discover that the aux fuel tank added to the Ford that Balchen flew over the South Pole was simply another wing tank set up in the fuselage. Made a lot of sense.

Warmest regards,
Rick


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Randy Sohn
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Re: One of the Last B747-200's [Re: Ralph Jones]
      #438139 - 04/25/17 11:39 AM

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prodigious number of hours and an estimated 100,000 miles of taxiing




Yeah, that was "old 728" (what we called it). Somewhere circa the middle sixties they converted it to a exec deal for Hal Carr. TV, tables, large seats, plush interior, etc. Radar (cripes, at 145 knots TAS the thunderstorms could danged near pass US. Then Charlotte (HNC's exec. secretary) decided to put JATO on it. Had to blow those bottles every two years or so, still recall once when Art and I had a teletype message waiting for us when we got back to MSP that we'd set the BRD airport on fire (grass aside the runway) when we'd test fired them upon departure. Can recall another time when I was sitting at my desk and Louie (MSP domicile's C/P) comes in and tells me that he'd had the Bd. of Dirs. on board coming back home from a funeral somewhere near OSH. Past EAU he'd had to feather an engine and he'd ended up having to run the other one at METO on that danged old thing to keep it in the air! That just shouldn't of happened, they always worked fine on one at "Climb Power". Just too heavy with all that extra weight and stuff! I remember calling Charlotte upstairs and telling that "that JATO was just like an 11 second f--t". Lotta stories about flying "that ole biddy" about when several of us in the front office had to take a load of whiz-bangs from the Mpls-St. Paul area up to or bring them back from HNC's lake home near BRD on Friday or Sunday afternoons. Also made me recall that they always parked it out on the ramp when not being used. Can recall telling Ms Charlotte once, ""For the cry'in out loud, put it somewhere out'a sight, when people drive past our hangars on 494 and they see it, they'll think that we still fly DC-3s"!

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Ralph Jones
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Re: One of the Last B747-200's [Re: Randy Sohn]
      #438140 - 04/25/17 11:43 AM

I remember seeing a Beech 18 in the Fifties that had a JATO installation...bet that could be interesting.

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Randy Sohn
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Re: One of the Last B747-200's [Re: Rick Durden]
      #438142 - 04/25/17 12:43 PM

>>highest time DC-3 in the world<<

Dunno, they always told us "the highest time AIRPLANE in the world.

>>it always looked pretty forlorn<<

Yup, concur, recalling looking at it while gazing thru those clerestory????? windows I always thought that it seemed to be saying "Please, can't I come inside there where it's warm with all those other airplanes?" Was getting pretty weather beaten/bedraggled looking out there! Can still recall when Art and Louie took it over there, landed it on that racetrack and the crane/derrick lifted to over the wall/fence.

>>JATO units are still there, big as life, in the wingpits<<

Guess meb'be that you meant "wingtips"? At any rate, the two JATO units/bottles were in the CENERSECTION, still can recall the stink/smell of the burnt fabric after we'd blow those bottles every 18 months. Were cotrolled by 2 red buttons on the overhead panel near the captain's seat. I still think that they were essentially useless in normal operations since by the time you figured out where they were the thing would've "stuck it's snoot in the dirt"!

best, randy

Edited by Randy Sohn (04/25/17 01:54 PM)


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Ralph Jones
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Re: One of the Last B747-200's [Re: Randy Sohn]
      #438143 - 04/25/17 12:50 PM

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thru those clerestory????? windows



Yeah, that's right: a windowed step in a roof that lets light into a floor below it. Used to be used on 19th century passenger trains.


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Randy Sohn
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Re: One of the Last B747-200's [Re: Ralph Jones]
      #438145 - 04/25/17 01:07 PM

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Yeah, that's right:




OK, thanks much, I sure wasn't at all sure of how to either say or spell it, those windows at the Ford Museum were sure high as I recall while looking outside at that poor ole thing!

best, randy


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Kcid LlirreM
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Re: One of the Last B747-200's [Re: Bruce Gorrell [EQY]]
      #438146 - 04/25/17 02:54 PM

Probably not many salvage parts on her.

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Ralph Hood
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Re: One of the Last B747-200's [Re: Ralph Jones]
      #438150 - 04/25/17 04:14 PM

Ralph J:

In Alabama there was a pilot who flew some version of the Lockheed Lodestar that was equipped with JATOs. He hired a new copilot once, and taught him all about the JATOs.
On one of the first takeoffs with the copilot the Capt said METO, the copilot heard JATO. The capt told me later that it was a helluva ride.

If "METO" is the wrong call, please cut me some slack--after all,I've never had to use those old words!

Ralph H

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Edited by Ralph Hood (04/25/17 04:23 PM)


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Randy Sohn
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Re: One of the Last B747-200's [Re: Ralph Hood]
      #438152 - 04/25/17 07:18 PM

>>In Alabama there was a pilot who flew some version of the Lockheed Lodestar<<

Sir Ralfus, best Lockheed Lobster story that I recall was standing on the ramp outside Wes-Tex A/C watching one landing at Lubbock once, it sorta ran off the runway and ground looped. Chum I was standing with exclaims/intones (to no one in particular) - "Ooooooh-wheeeee, hold'r Newt, she's a headed for the buckwheat".

>>If "METO" is the wrong call, please cut me some slack<<

Nope, you be correct. First comes the call for "METO POWER", then later the call for "CLIMB POWER". (Or in Bolivia, "POTENCIA METO (maytoe)" and then "POTENCIA ASCENSO".

vest, randy


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Rick Durden
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Re: One of the Last B747-200's [Re: Randy Sohn]
      #438166 - 04/26/17 10:30 AM

Randy,

Bunch of us used the term "wingpits" to describe the area where the wing met the fuselage (generally the centersection) and anything under the wing in that area. In the mid-1970s Cessna pained a design aft of the pilot windows on the new 150s - so of course those airplanes had hairy wingpits.

Warmest regards,
Rick


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Randy Sohn
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Re: One of the Last B747-200's [Re: Rick Durden]
      #438167 - 04/26/17 11:04 AM

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Bunch of us used the term "wingpits" to describe the area where the wing met the fuselage




Ah-so, NOW I get it, copy-copy! Had thought, "Mmmmm, must be his typing".

Anyhow, never will forget that smell when we'd set off those JATO bottles! Try'n to recall now, what was it the FAA required, every 18 months?

best, randy


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Rick Durden
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Re: One of the Last B747-200's [Re: Randy Sohn]
      #438173 - 04/26/17 02:29 PM

Randy,

Now I'm recalling the rocket that was in the tail of the early model Swearingen Metros. The airplane couldn't hold altitude on one engine with the gear down so it had a rocket that fired for something like 15 seconds to allow takeoff and climbout if an engine failed at V1. Apparently the drill was to rotate, fire the rocket, hit the gear switch and "stop and feather" for the dead engine. The gear took around 11 seconds to retract so the airplane could fly away from the adventure.

I've seen a video of it being demonstrated at ABQ on a hot day, at gross. A Swearingen engineer told me that Brazilian private pilot had had to fire the rocket in anger on takeoff and made it.

Anyhow, in the early 1980s when I lived in Wichita, and would be out at MidContinent Airport every once in a while I'd see a Metro takeoff and then emit fire and smoke from the tail. The crew was firing the rocket as it had timed out and had to be removed - and you had to fire it before removing it.

They finally got the -10 engines with more power and they didn't need the rocket anymore.

Warmest regards,
Rick


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Re: One of the Last B747-200's [Re: Rick Durden]
      #438179 - 04/26/17 06:08 PM

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Apparently the drill was




I guess I flew that old goat about as much as anyone that I know of, watched others fly it, etc. We used iit for pilot training so I had a lot of opportunities to observe. To be totally honest, I really believe it would'a been a problematical deal if one could've successfully dealt with the startlement of losing one after or climing shortly after takefoff and do it the way the the book said to always do. I.e., no one ever seemed to allow for being in a sorta unfamilar cockpit and the "startlement" factor as regards finding and firing the JATO and getting the airspeed and climb angle altered/readjusted and feathering the dead engine. To tell'ya the truth, I think that at max gross, it'd "been all over 'cept for the shouting".

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Richard Duxbury (Dux)
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Re: One of the Last B747-200's [Re: Bill Bridges - 9S1]
      #438264 - 04/29/17 12:43 PM

I also think the two Air Force One's are B-747-200 aircraft.

Dux -back in Tucson after 10 days in Florida. Nope no BP's today but it's coming next month.

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Ralph Jones
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Re: One of the Last B747-200's [Re: Richard Duxbury (Dux)]
      #438269 - 04/29/17 01:11 PM

Yes, the VC-25's are modified 747-200B's.

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Re: One of the Last B747-200's [Re: Richard Duxbury (Dux)]
      #438299 - 05/01/17 03:09 PM

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two Air Force One's are B-747-200




Yup, you be right and and as Ralph said, B models. IIRC, Terry gave them some dual.

best, randy


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