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Terry Carraway
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Re: B-52H Returns to Service [Re: Tom Charlton]
      #430349 - 09/11/16 09:36 AM

The problem with the titanium bathtub is that much of the time you are seriously banked, so a round is just as likely to come in the top versus hitting the bottom.

And if it comes in the top, it also cannot get out.

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Richard Duxbury (Dux)
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Re: B-52H Returns to Service [Re: Richard Duxbury (Dux)]
      #430408 - 09/12/16 09:51 PM

OK, looked at some aviation pictures of crashes. Looked like a B-52, which I remember was near Seattle and during an air Show or practice. Seem to remember that was a big USAF SAC investigation.

OK, not a good memory for this thread.

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Dux


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Ralph Jones
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Re: B-52H Returns to Service [Re: Richard Duxbury (Dux)]
      #430411 - 09/12/16 10:05 PM

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Looked like a B-52, which I remember was near Seattle and during an air Show



Fairchild AFB, near Spokane, 1994. Video

Terminal case of testosterone poisoning...at least one officer was court-martialed for not seeing it coming.

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Bill Bridges - 9S1
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Re: B-52H Returns to Service [Re: Ralph Jones]
      #430415 - 09/12/16 10:42 PM

Ralph,

This report from CBS News has a lot to say about the pilot and the co-pilot's attempt to have him grounded.

This is a report on the Court Martial and punishment for the pilot's commander.

Bill


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Bill Bridges - 9S1
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Re: B-52H Returns to Service [Re: Bill Bridges - 9S1]
      #430599 - 09/16/16 08:49 PM

Quote:

Ralph,

This report from CBS News has a lot to say about the pilot and the co-pilot's attempt to have him grounded.

This is a report on the Court Martial and punishment for the pilot's commander.

Bill




Randy,

Would this crash be a classic example of an accelerated stall? I'm having trouble figuring out what went wrong and why the aircraft could not be rolled level?

Bill


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Ralph Jones
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Re: B-52H Returns to Service [Re: Bill Bridges - 9S1]
      #430600 - 09/16/16 09:09 PM

Spoilerons, no ailerons. Not much roll control without positive G on the wing.

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Bruce Gorrell [EQY]
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Re: B-52H Returns to Service [Re: Bill Bridges - 9S1]
      #430601 - 09/16/16 10:22 PM

You can't lift a wing with a spoiler.

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Bill Bridges - 9S1
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Re: B-52H Returns to Service [Re: Bruce Gorrell [EQY]]
      #430606 - 09/16/16 11:13 PM

Once in this situation, how does the pilot get out of the mess? This seems similar to the rotor disk on the UH-1, once the disk gets to the point where the angle can no longer get less than 90 degrees in relation to the mass, the helicopter can not be rolled upright without the help of momentum. Is this similar to the situation with the accident aircraft?

Bill


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Randy Sohn
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Re: B-52H Returns to Service [Re: Bill Bridges - 9S1]
      #430608 - 09/16/16 11:23 PM

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accelerated stall?




Nope not at all, practicing for an upcoming airshow there at Fairchild AFB and the DS! rolled it. Always reminded me of what I'd told Jack Sandberg years before when I was checking him out in his Mitsbuishi MU-2, "YOU CAN'T RAISE A WING WITH A SPOILER". IIRC the book "A Deeper Shade of Blue" (or a title something like that) also told about it.

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Richard Duxbury (Dux)
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Re: B-52H Returns to Service [Re: Randy Sohn]
      #430646 - 09/17/16 04:41 PM

Ya, I also remember the B-747 that once you got the yoke to more that (perhaps 10 degrees) the spoilers would go up. If you had some flaps out, you at least had more ailerons working.

But spoilers do just like the name, spoils lift.

Regards,

Dux -missed BP's today -had some stuff to do in St Paul. Duluth next weekend.


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