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Ralph Jones
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DRM in light bulbs
      #419297 - 12/14/15 07:36 PM

That's right...

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Russell Holton
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Re: DRM in light bulbs [Re: Ralph Jones]
      #419299 - 12/14/15 08:06 PM

Other than Apple, has any one ever succeeded at walled gardens?

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Jim Bell
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Re: DRM in light bulbs [Re: Ralph Jones]
      #419300 - 12/14/15 09:12 PM

And the sheep continue to follow the digital Judas goat ;-)

Would like to hear more about that Comcast WiFi insanity you wrote about in the Borg thread, deserves a thread of its own.

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Ralph Jones
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Re: DRM in light bulbs [Re: Jim Bell]
      #419303 - 12/14/15 10:02 PM

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Would like to hear more about that Comcast WiFi insanity



Apparently it's been cooking for a year or so. Here's a link.

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Russell Holton
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Re: DRM in light bulbs [Re: Ralph Jones]
      #419304 - 12/14/15 11:08 PM

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Apparently it's been cooking for a year or so. Here's a link.



The guy seems to spend more time spreading FUD then doing any test to see what exactly is happening. If you have one, it seems fairly straightforward to test it.


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Ken Korshin KMIA
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Re: DRM in light bulbs [Re: Russell Holton]
      #419316 - 12/15/15 09:30 AM

I spent 35" on a chat with comcast. The agent kept trying to teach me how to secure my network. (duh)

Finally she removed the Xfinty wifi hot spot from my router.

I live next to a resort and until these posts I though the hotspot was from the resort.

Anyway, it was worth the time.

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Terry Carraway
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Re: DRM in light bulbs [Re: Ralph Jones]
      #419319 - 12/15/15 10:54 AM

Good thing I went with a Wink hub. It controls Philips and other devices.

I have a couple of switches and a couple of GE light bulbs. I have them turning off and on at various times, whether someone is in the house or not.

I wish there was a way to program it from a laptop or desktop. The iPhone interface is not bad, but if you want a lot of variability, it would be nicer to program from other than a phone.

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Ralph Jones
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Re: DRM in light bulbs [Re: Russell Holton]
      #419324 - 12/15/15 12:06 PM

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If you have one, it seems fairly straightforward to test it.



Turning it on to see if it plays is straightforward. Determining whether it (a) is secure and (b) won't hog my bandwidth (both of which Comcast makes vague claims about) is another matter. I'll just let the early adopters do that.

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Russell Holton
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Re: DRM in light bulbs [Re: Ralph Jones]
      #419325 - 12/15/15 12:23 PM

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Turning it on to see if it plays is straightforward. Determining whether it (a) is secure and (b) won't hog my bandwidth (both of which Comcast makes vague claims about) is another matter.




Running a quick test on the public hotspot would tell you if it's got a different public IP or not. That would put a major security concern to rest instead of spending paragraphs about "what if".

Using a pair of computers, it seems like it should be simple to do a bandwidth test to see if the one impacts the other.


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Jim Bell
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Re: DRM in light bulbs [Re: Ralph Jones]
      #419341 - 12/15/15 10:22 PM

Been busy...

The article seemed a bit dated (it referred to iOS 7.x) but had some points, though I agree with Russell as regards too much typing, not enough testing.

Here, Optimum, Xfininty and TWC used to share public APs, but not anymore, that I can tell. As to security, I have some tests to run, at least as regards Optimum, will post anything interesting. One thing Optimum offers is the ability to securely setup devices from a home PC/Mac. They also allow disabling them that way. Optimum is MAC address based, will test what actually happens when connecting as regards encryption. I have multiple USB WiFi adapters, I can register up to 10, so, I'll test registering a one-time use adapter, then remove it from the allowable list. Of course, none of this has jack to do with Comcast, but I'm curious anyway ;-)

I also disable WiFi on the iPhone when out, not because of the possible IP spoofing issue, but discovered it was connecting to anything that was open (like my friggin' supermarket in-store WiFi!). Thanks, but no ;-) There was also a brief time when the iPhone, from home, would connect to the nearest Optimum AP (about 100 yards away now, after they stuck an extra pole on the property here), just did the "Forget wireless network" thing, no more of that.

jb

Edited by Jim Bell (12/15/15 10:30 PM)


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Russell Holton
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Re: DRM in light bulbs [Re: Jim Bell]
      #419342 - 12/15/15 10:46 PM

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I also disable WiFi on the iPhone when out, not because of the possible IP spoofing issue, but discovered it was connecting to anything that was open (like my friggin' supermarket in-store WiFi!). Thanks, but no ;-)




Dare I mention Project Fi? <g>


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Jim Bell
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Re: DRM in light bulbs [Re: Russell Holton]
      #419343 - 12/15/15 10:51 PM

Quote:

Quote:

I also disable WiFi on the iPhone when out, not because of the possible IP spoofing issue, but discovered it was connecting to anything that was open (like my friggin' supermarket in-store WiFi!). Thanks, but no ;-)




Dare I mention Project Fi? <g>




... and deliver us from evil, for Google is the... ;-)

jb


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Jim Bell
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Re: DRM in light bulbs [Re: Russell Holton]
      #419344 - 12/15/15 10:57 PM

BTW, I meant to write "... possible MAC address spoofing issue...".

jb


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Ralph Jones
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Re: DRM in light bulbs [Re: Jim Bell]
      #419407 - 12/17/15 09:37 AM

Well, I may have to do something about it soon...just got a popup reminder that hints darkly about "service interruptions". Looks as if they're forcing it on us.

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Jim Bell
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Re: DRM in light bulbs [Re: Ralph Jones]
      #419447 - 12/18/15 12:08 AM

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Well, I may have to do something about it soon...just got a popup reminder that hints darkly about "service interruptions". Looks as if they're forcing it on us.




Bummer. No way to do what John O. did, get your own modem?

As to the WiFi stuff here, spent way too much time trying to remember how to use the various tools I have, but the client MAC address is readable by anyone sniffing an Optimum hotspot, no surprise there.

What was a little bit of a surprise is that my Panasonic TV has its own WiFi deal going, via the VIERA deal they use for certain kinds of connectivity. Mentioned nowhere in the docs (the set is at least 5 yo), I thought it was just for physical HDMI recognition/control of like devices (like my PS3) <shrug>

I also forgot just how much un-encrypted chatter the various boxes engage in with others, out there, Avast among them ;-) Sniff sniff sniff...think I'm getting a cold <g>

jb


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Reams Goodloe
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Re: DRM in light bulbs [Re: Ralph Jones]
      #419602 - 12/22/15 12:30 AM

Ralph -
Looks like they have posted the following....

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Added 16 Dec 2015 - 10.30

We recently upgraded the software for Philips Hue to ensure the best seamless connected lighting experience for our customers. This change was made in good faith. However, we under estimated the impact this would have on a small number of customers who use lights from other brands which could not be controlled by the Philips Hue software. In view of the sentiment expressed by our customers, we have decided to reverse the software upgrade so that lights from other brands continue to work as they did before with the Philips Hue system.
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Looks like they have had second thoughts.....
It is hard to believe that such an outfit would try that tactic if it requires use of a "standards essential patent" - as it would very likely result in a loss of patent rights under the patent misuse doctrine, and further, possible unfair competition claims from competitors, and anti-trust problems with the FTC.

A thoroughly screwed up roll out plan, it would seem to me....

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Jeff Hartmann CIC
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Re: DRM in light bulbs [Re: Reams Goodloe]
      #419615 - 12/22/15 07:56 AM

They changed because of a" small number of customers " ( right )

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Ralph Jones
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Re: DRM in light bulbs [Re: Reams Goodloe]
      #419619 - 12/22/15 08:47 AM

They left out the eye rolling and the "Harrumph"...;-)

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Russell Holton
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Re: DRM in light bulbs [Re: Reams Goodloe]
      #419627 - 12/22/15 11:57 AM

Taken at face value, they may have experienced a flaw in the standard. So they fixed it by deviating from the standard - and got a surprise.

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Jeff Hartmann CIC
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Re: DRM in light bulbs [Re: Russell Holton]
      #419642 - 12/22/15 04:32 PM

New Coke....

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Terry Carraway
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Re: DRM in light bulbs [Re: Jeff Hartmann CIC]
      #419674 - 12/23/15 06:37 AM

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New Coke....




:D

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