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Ralph Jones
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We are the Borg
      #418424 - 11/29/15 02:15 PM

Microsoft is ramping up the pressure with popups demanding that I "upgrade" to Windows 10. The popup has two buttons: "Upgrade now" and "Upgrade later". Subtlety has never been their style...

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We are the Borg [Re: Ralph Jones]
      #418432 - 11/29/15 05:42 PM

>> Microsoft is ramping up the pressure with popups demanding that I
"upgrade" to Windows 10. The popup has two buttons: "Upgrade now" and "Upgrade
later". <<

Ralph, when I got that popup, there was also an X in the upper-right corner.
I click on it and the popup disappeared -- for the time being, anyway.


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Re: We are the Borg [Re: Ralph Jones]
      #418434 - 11/29/15 05:51 PM

I just did the upgrade on my laptop. No problems. Looks a little different but haven't run into any negative effects as of yet.

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Re: We are the Borg [Re: sreyoB yrraL]
      #418436 - 11/29/15 06:05 PM

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I just did the upgrade on my laptop. No problems. Looks a little different but haven't run into any negative effects as of yet.




From Win7-64?

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Ralph Jones
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Re: We are the Borg [Re: Ward Miller POU-NY]
      #418437 - 11/29/15 06:20 PM

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for the time being, anyway.



That is the operative phrase: It comes back. You'll probably find it in your System Tray.

It can be removed by going to Windows Update and uninstalling update KB3035583.

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We are the Borg [Re: Ralph Jones]
      #418439 - 11/29/15 07:09 PM

Remember the games included with every version since Windows 95? If you
upgrade to the spyware version, they want monthly payment not to push ads
into the games.

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Re: We are the Borg [Re: Ralph Jones]
      #418456 - 11/29/15 10:54 PM

Be aware of the lineage of your Windows license when you upgrade, especially if you want to get tricky.

I wanted to upgrade a Virtual Machine from 32-bit Windows 7 to 64-bit Windows 10. The way you do that is to upgrade from 32-bit Windows 7 to 32-bit Windows 10, then, after the machine is seen to be validated as GEN-U-WINE by Microsoft, you save the new license number, then do a clean installation of Windows 10 64-bit.

Phew.

I did all that. It worked fine for a few days, then it started to complain that the license key was blocked. A little digging indicated that the only way to -TRY- to correct the issue was to re-run the whole sequence back from a 32-bit Windows 7 installation.

I gave up. I don't need a Windows VM on that machine that badly.


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Geoff Sjostrom - Chicago
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Re: We are the Borg [Re: Ralph Jones]
      #418470 - 11/30/15 05:52 PM

You should take it. I've been using it for a month or so and am very happy with it. I've got it a laptop and desktop.

I upgraded from Windows 8.1, 64 bit on both machines. It was a great relief to get that system changed.

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Re: We are the Borg [Re: Bill Bridges - 9S1]
      #418471 - 11/30/15 06:01 PM

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From Win7-64?



Win 8.1. That was the original O/S on this machine.


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Re: We are the Borg [Re: Ralph Jones]
      #418472 - 11/30/15 06:12 PM

In the multiple Windows 10 threads here, I still haven't seen the answer as to why move to W10. From 8.x, from what I've seen of it, sure, but if W7 works, why? Does W10 enable apps to run faster, make stuff run cooler than before, with no expensive software upgrades? Safer? Than what? ;-)

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Re: We are the Borg [Re: Jim Bell]
      #418473 - 11/30/15 06:29 PM

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but if W7 works, why?



  • The free W7 to W10 upgrade is only for one year.
  • End of W7 is about 4 years out. Undoubtedly, that will signal software that will no longer work under W7.
  • If you're the "go to" person for any kind of IT function, be it family or for a paycheck, it would be wise to get W10 experience.
  • Indications are, that W10 has been compiled to be more secure.
  • It's there.
  • We're geeks. Do we need a reason? <g>


And in other news, the Raspberry Pi organization has announced a new model: The Pi Zero. Cost: $5. (SD card, cables, case, power supply sold separately.) <g>


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Re: We are the Borg [Re: Jim Bell]
      #418479 - 11/30/15 08:41 PM

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In the multiple Windows 10 threads here, I still haven't seen the answer as to why move to W10. From 8.x, from what I've seen of it, sure, but if W7 works, why? Does W10 enable apps to run faster, make stuff run cooler than before, with no expensive software upgrades? Safer? Than what? ;-)

jb




Agreed, Jim. I'm running 7 on a 5 year old desktop, a 4 year old notebook, and a 3 year old notebook. I see no need to do a 10 upgrade on these machines. Any improvements through 10 are marginal at best. When I buy new replacements I will likely go with 10 (and may not have a choice).


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Re: We are the Borg [Re: Russell Holton]
      #418481 - 11/30/15 09:28 PM

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The free W7 to W10 upgrade is only for one year.
End of W7 is about 4 years out. Undoubtedly, that will signal software that will no longer work under W7.
If you're the "go to" person for any kind of IT function, be it family or for a paycheck, it would be wise to get W10 experience.
Indications are, that W10 has been compiled to be more secure.
It's there.
We're geeks. Do we need a reason? <g>







OK :-)...

Ain't nuttin' be free..

Four years is a lifetime, enough to learn Linux, even ;-) And if the software one has works, now, for you, uhmmm, unless it's that subscription or cloud based insanity, how is it going to stop working?

Blessedly free of support tasks, except the occasional Mac/iOS question or W7. Sussing out 'Droid stuff without oneathem phones has been entertaining though ;-)

Indications are that it's going to be warmer/colder/snowier/droughtier than normal, this winter <g>

OK, it's there, well, that's always worked for me, and geeky, OK too, but... I got old and stopped doing that. It caused pain. Lots of pain <g>

Does Pi charge for games? ;-)

jb


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Re: We are the Borg [Re: Scott Dyer [HPN/NY]]
      #418482 - 11/30/15 09:30 PM


Quote:

I'm running 7 on a 5 year old desktop, a 4 year old notebook, and a 3 year old notebook. I see no need to do a 10 upgrade on these machines.




Be careful, Scott, the Borg is watching ;-)

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Re: We are the Borg [Re: Scott Dyer [HPN/NY]]
      #418489 - 12/01/15 01:14 AM

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I'm running 7 on a 5 year old desktop, a 4 year old notebook, and a 3 year old notebook. I see no need to do a 10 upgrade on these machines. Any improvements through 10 are marginal at best. When I buy new replacements I will likely go with 10 (and may not have a choice).


Hi Scott,

Well I wined and stomped my feet when they took XP from me. Now I contemplate going straight from 7 to 10. My wife has 8 on her machine and I understand 10 isnít too much different from 8?
I just know, that when I do cave in and go to 10, first thing Iíll wonder is: whereíd all my stuff go?

Two reasons Iíve held off on the upgrade:
1) Wait for 10 to mature a bit more.
2) With 10 you have no control over when your computer downloads updates. Until just recently my internet connection was mostly via cell phone.

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Jim Bell
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Re: We are the Borg [Re: Tom Charlton]
      #418490 - 12/01/15 01:22 AM

Tom,

Apologies for jumping in, but given your valid questions and concerns, what's your reason to even consider it? Does Windows 10 offer you something you don't have now? If so, please explicate, sir!

jb [a concerned, usually non-violent Neo-Luddite <g>]


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Re: We are the Borg [Re: Jim Bell]
      #418491 - 12/01/15 01:41 AM

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what's your reason to even consider it? Does Windows 10 offer you something you don't have now?


Hi Jim,

1) 7 is going to go away soon.
2) 10 is a . . . ah . . . free upgrade for a limited time. (better get it while you can)
3) Benefits of 10 over 7? Well . . . itís 3 more than 7, right? And, well, itís just gotía be better, right?<g>

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Re: We are the Borg [Re: Tom Charlton]
      #418493 - 12/01/15 03:36 AM

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My wife has 8 on her machine and I understand 10 isnít too much different from 8?



From what I've heard, if you have 8, upgrade. 10 is a better version of 8. Or should I say, 10 is what 8 should have been.


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We are the Borg [Re: Tom Charlton]
      #418495 - 12/01/15 05:53 AM

>> 1) 7 is going to go away soon. <<

Actually, Tom, it isn't going anywhere. Being bypassed in the time machine,
but it will still be here. I'm still running XP because TAPUBB runs on it.

Right now Win 7 serves me just fine and all the applications I need --
wordprocessor, spreadsheet, moneymanager, etc -- do what I need to have done.


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Re: We are the Borg [Re: Russell Holton]
      #418499 - 12/01/15 09:05 AM

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Or should I say, 10 is what 8 should have been.



Pretty much the same relation as 7 to Vista.

My son took the 10 upgrade and still grumbles about it.

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We are the Borg [Re: Tom Charlton]
      #418500 - 12/01/15 10:43 AM

Yes, but THIS operating system goes up to 11!

Sorry, couldn't resist.

I'm still on XP and will stay there as long as possible. A Dell leftover
Pentium box is being delivered today. The price was excellent and it comes
without HDD or operating system. I can legally build another XP server and
put five terabytes in it.

I still remember paying $1K for a 1Gb full-height disk. At that time,
$1/MEGabyte was a good price. Now, a GIGabyte costs about 3.5 cents on disk
and about 31 cents on a thumb drive.

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Re: We are the Borg [Re: Ray Tackett]
      #418502 - 12/01/15 11:38 AM

As with all upgrades, I'll lose compatibility with some old programs and have to pay to update others. So, I'm staying with 7 a bit longer. May be one of those year-end things to do after all current files are backed up.

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Re: We are the Borg [Re: Tom Charlton]
      #418508 - 12/01/15 01:55 PM

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Benefits of 10 over 7? Well . . . itís 3 more than 7, right? And, well, itís just gotía be better, right?<g>




Tom, so far, them's about the best reasons I seen me yet ;-) Hmmm, El Capitan is a free upgrade for this Mac, what to do, what to do... ;-)

About that W10 free for a limited time bit, I wonder 'bout that.

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Re: We are the Borg [Re: Ray Tackett]
      #418509 - 12/01/15 01:57 PM

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Yes, but THIS operating system goes up to 11!




Spinal Tap lives on! <g>

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Re: We are the Borg [Re: Ralph Jones]
      #418512 - 12/01/15 03:08 PM

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and still grumbles about it.




Why?

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Re: We are the Borg [Re: Tom Charlton]
      #418523 - 12/01/15 09:55 PM

[quote
3) Benefits of 10 over 7? Well . . . itís 3 more than 7, right? And, well, itís just gotía be better, right?<g>





- Windows 10 starts up faster than Windows 7
- The virus protection/anti-malware is supposed to be better

I'm not much of a Windows person, but recently upgraded my virtual machines to Windows 10. 90% seems the same. My programs continue to run (granted, I don't have many needs in that area). The login screen is different, but once past that, there are a few graphical differences, but the Start Menu is still there. The apps look about the same, except that the window frames now look like they were drawn by a 4th grader.

My main reason for upgrading -any- operating system or application is to stay closer to "supported" with the vendor. Windows does seem to move pretty slowly, so unlike on the Mac side, there is less pressure to stay within a year of the current release.


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Re: We are the Borg [Re: John O'Shaughnessy [FCM]]
      #418524 - 12/01/15 10:44 PM

I just upgraded my second machine from Windows 7 to 10. This was on a virtual machine running on an iMac and it was completely painless, A pleasant surprise occurred when I tried to open a 16 bit dBASE program. It asked if I would like to reconfigure to an XP format for this program. I would, and it ran!

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Re: We are the Borg [Re: Ralph Jones]
      #418545 - 12/02/15 01:59 PM

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My son took the 10 upgrade and still grumbles about it.



About what does he grumble? I haven't run into anything I don't like yet. Haven't really gone looking for differences, though...


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Re: We are the Borg [Re: sreyoB yrraL]
      #418546 - 12/02/15 02:30 PM

Probably the same thing as other upgrades - "Where the **** did they hide that setting?"

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Re: We are the Borg [Re: sreyoB yrraL]
      #418553 - 12/02/15 06:08 PM

Quote:

Quote:

My son took the 10 upgrade and still grumbles about it.



About what does he grumble? I haven't run into anything I don't like yet. Haven't really gone looking for differences, though...




I upgraded my wife's Lenovo laptop from 8.1 to 10 and she thinks 10 is better.

I'm going to stay with Win7-64 on my FS machine.

the other bill


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Re: We are the Borg [Re: Bill Bridges - 9S1]
      #418555 - 12/02/15 06:20 PM

Quote:

I upgraded my wife's Lenovo laptop from 8.1 to 10 and she thinks 10 is better.

I'm going to stay with Win7-64 on my FS machine.




My brief experience with early versions of 8 tells me 10 would have to be better.

My main use for the real PC is also FS (and some video stuff that works just fine right now), so I'll be staying with Win7-64 also. Maybe I'll get adventurous on the VM on the Mac (running Win7-64 also). Or not <g>

jb


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Re: We are the Borg [Re: sreyoB yrraL]
      #418561 - 12/02/15 07:52 PM

He says it's basically a touchscreen interface that condescends to let you use a mouse until you've seen the error of your ways. Also bombards him with advertising, and pesters him to switch to their antivirus.

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Re: We are the Borg [Re: Ralph Jones]
      #418563 - 12/02/15 08:18 PM

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He says it's basically a touchscreen interface that condescends to let you use a mouse until you've seen the error of your ways.




Waaaay back, when 8.x came out, that was my take, and others too. At that point it looked and worked like a tablet/phone OS, period. Apple has incorporated some iOS like stuff into OS X, which on my laptop generally only work if I use the trackpad. I don't, nor does the OS try to encourage me to.

Hey, if folks like W10, glad that's working out for 'em, it's obviously a step up from 8.x, functionality-wise. The other crap, cash for games, required auto-update on some versions for certain core parts of the OS, non-preventable data collection, no thanks. And, really, OS flame wars seem so... retro ;-)

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Re: We are the Borg [Re: Jim Bell]
      #418565 - 12/02/15 08:24 PM

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And, really, OS flame wars seem so... retro ;-)



When I was young, Grasshopper, it was between Post and K+E slide rules <g>.

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Re: We are the Borg [Re: Ralph Jones]
      #418567 - 12/02/15 08:35 PM

For me, it was TI vs. HP calculators.

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Re: We are the Borg [Re: Ralph Jones]
      #418568 - 12/02/15 08:37 PM

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When I was young, Grasshopper, it was between Post and K+E slide rules <g>.




LOL, and the beat goes on...<g>

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Re: We are the Borg [Re: Ralph Jones]
      #418569 - 12/02/15 08:51 PM

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He says it's basically a touchscreen interface that condescends to let you use a mouse until you've seen the error of your ways. Also bombards him with advertising, and pesters him to switch to their antivirus.



I haven't run into any of that yet. Not sure I've seen anything that's better (than 8.1), either. It's been about a week since I upgraded.


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Re: We are the Borg [Re: Ralph Jones]
      #418587 - 12/03/15 06:34 AM

Quote:

He says it's basically a touchscreen interface that condescends to let you use a mouse until you've seen the error of your ways. Also bombards him with advertising, and pesters him to switch to their antivirus.




I thought they fixed that with 8.1?

8 was a touch screen interface, but AFAIK 8.1 and 10 allow you a Win 7 type of screen.

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Re: We are the Borg [Re: Russell Holton]
      #418588 - 12/03/15 06:35 AM

And I split the difference.

People were starting to use calculators in college, but many still have a slide rule on their belt.

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Re: We are the Borg [Re: Geoff Sjostrom - Chicago]
      #418651 - 12/04/15 12:07 PM

Here's an article that calls it if "Microsoft's best operating system to date".

http://www.zdnet.com/article/dont-let-th...ftag=TRE17cfd61


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Re: We are the Borg [Re: Geoff Sjostrom - Chicago]
      #418652 - 12/04/15 12:20 PM

Interesting article Jeff.

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Re: We are the Borg [Re: Terry Carraway]
      #418654 - 12/04/15 12:46 PM

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but many still have a slide rule on their belt.



In my day, Grasshopper, we measured the difficulty of a test by the temperature the slide rules reached...;-)

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Re: We are the Borg [Re: Ralph Jones]
      #418663 - 12/04/15 03:49 PM

That's funny...I can smell the wood now....

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Re: We are the Borg [Re: Ralph Jones]
      #419277 - 12/14/15 12:34 PM

...and now Comcast is not to be outdone. I received a mysterious box from them; the first thing out of the box was a brightly-colored "Getting Started" card. If you follow the instructions on it, a new wireless gateway gets hooked up to your cable connection.

A little googling discloses that they expect me to make my house a public access point for anyone who has a Comcast account.

No worries: Comcast says it's just ever so secure. I feel better now...;-)

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Re: We are the Borg [Re: Ralph Jones]
      #419286 - 12/14/15 02:17 PM

Back to Windows 10; several complaints on another board by folks that upgraded and couldn't find files or other issues. Tech support wasn't real helpful. Others did fine. Press the link and take your chances.

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Re: We are the Borg [Re: Ralph Jones]
      #419365 - 12/16/15 12:32 PM

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...and now Comcast is not to be outdone. I received a mysterious box from them; the first thing out of the box was a brightly-colored "Getting Started" card. If you follow the instructions on it, a new wireless gateway gets hooked up to your cable connection.

A little googling discloses that they expect me to make my house a public access point for anyone who has a Comcast account.




I had their box that offered that "service." I had previously owned my own cable modem, but when I added Comcast Voice services, went back to their box. I didn't care for the inbuilt WiFi (as I had a downstream solution that worked better for me. I found that I could indeed purchase a unit on my own that would be supported by Comcast.

I installed it, and then returned the Comcast cable modem. The person at the counter didn't think I could do what I was doing... But I did. Clearly it is not a common option.

http://mydeviceinfo.comcast.net

Now I no longer have a monthly fee, and I separate the functions to better suit my needs.

John


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Re: We are the Borg [Re: Ralph Jones]
      #419778 - 12/24/15 04:20 PM

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And, really, OS flame wars seem so... retro ;-)



When I was young, Grasshopper, it was between Post and K+E slide rules <g>.




Post? Seriously?

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For me, it was TI vs. HP calculators.




I could never go back from HP. I've got PC and Android HP calculator apps over the years, too.

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...and now Comcast is not to be outdone. I received a mysterious box from them; the first thing out of the box was a brightly-colored "Getting Started" card. If you follow the instructions on it, a new wireless gateway gets hooked up to your cable connection.

A little googling discloses that they expect me to make my house a public access point for anyone who has a Comcast account.

No worries: Comcast says it's just ever so secure. I feel better now...;-)




I discovered that when Xfinity WAPs started showing up on my travels. I've got Comcast, but use my own modem and router.

Regarding Windows 10, I wish that I could use it, but it comes with Microsoft as system administrator. I'm curious to see how they do with a combination of free upgrade and shifting control of the computer further towards MS.


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Re: We are the Borg [Re: John O'Shaughnessy [FCM]]
      #419781 - 12/24/15 05:31 PM

I called Comcast and asked to have the Hot Spot removed from my system. ( I don't know how it got there. For almost an hour the agent kept telling me how to secure my WiFi. When I said I would call the FCC to see if Comcast could put something on my computer that I didn't want she removed it in about 20 seconds.

If I buy a GE appliance does that give a GE service man the right to come into my house with out my permission? <G>

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Re: We are the Borg [Re: Ken Korshin KMIA]
      #419785 - 12/24/15 06:08 PM

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If I buy a GE appliance does that give a GE service man the right to come into my house with out my permission? <G>



I donno. What did the ULA say? <g>


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Re: We are the Borg [Re: Cole Loftus [C89]]
      #419832 - 12/25/15 06:24 AM

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I could never go back from HP. I've got PC and Android HP calculator apps over the years, too.

I discovered that when Xfinity WAPs started showing up on my travels. I've got Comcast, but use my own modem and router.

Regarding Windows 10, I wish that I could use it, but it comes with Microsoft as system administrator. I'm curious to see how they do with a combination of free upgrade and shifting control of the computer further towards MS.




Same here. Excaliber is the PC based RPN calculator I use. And best, it is free.

The HP-41CX app for iPhone is very nice, and even looks like an HP-41, but a neat addition, is above the main display, is a row of small boxes showing the stack contents.

I have a couple of HP-41s around, and a printer and card reader and a couple of app packs (including the Aviation one). And an HP-48 or 49. Basically a big -41, with a large graphics screen.

Same here with Comcast. My equipment.

Did not know that about Win10. Interesting.

I wonder how that will play with government agencies, where most employees do not have admin access.

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Re: We are the Borg [Re: Terry Carraway]
      #419863 - 12/25/15 11:22 PM

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I could never go back from HP. I've got PC and Android HP calculator apps over the years, too.

I discovered that when Xfinity WAPs started showing up on my travels. I've got Comcast, but use my own modem and router.

Regarding Windows 10, I wish that I could use it, but it comes with Microsoft as system administrator. I'm curious to see how they do with a combination of free upgrade and shifting control of the computer further towards MS.




Same here. Excaliber is the PC based RPN calculator I use. And best, it is free.

The HP-41CX app for iPhone is very nice, and even looks like an HP-41, but a neat addition, is above the main display, is a row of small boxes showing the stack contents.

I have a couple of HP-41s around, and a printer and card reader and a couple of app packs (including the Aviation one). And an HP-48 or 49. Basically a big -41, with a large graphics screen.

Same here with Comcast. My equipment.

Did not know that about Win10. Interesting.

I wonder how that will play with government agencies, where most employees do not have admin access.




A bit facetious here with what I said about MS, but the control shift is definite, at least for consumers and small business. Just Google "Windows 10 privacy". I understand that the control of the Enterprise version is not the same, and remains with the purchasers/licensees, where it should be.

I still have my old HP-25, and a 41CX with Navigation pack. I should find a home for those.


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